LABSAFETY-L Archive 9807 July 1998

LABSAFETY-L Archive 9807 July 1998

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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:03:00 -0400
From: "Tayman, Tammy" <ttayman@MC.CC.MD.US>
Subject: Re: nonhazardous qual scheme
Comments: To: Barbara O'Keeffe <okeeffeb@advancia.com>
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Sounds like a WONDERFUL idea. Has anyone out there addressed this? One of
our faculty suggested it as a followup experiment to the qual analysis, but
noone seems to want to be bothered with coming up with any sort of
procedures, and frankly I don't have time.

Tammy Tayman
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From: Barbara O'Keeffe
To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
Subject: Re: nonhazardous qual scheme
Date: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 5:38PM

Question that still comes to mind is how do you students know if they have
lead, chromium, silver, etc.? Seems to me, that what we are looking at are
qual schemes for innocuous metals, but the ones used in industry are not
being addressed?

Wouldn't it be much more instructive to incorporate the testing and problems
with DISPOSAL in a class setting.

Date sent: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:50:03 -0700
Send reply to: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List <LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU>
From: Gillian Gardner <gardner@LCLARK.EDU>
Subject: Re: nonhazardous qual scheme
To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU

> Sorry it took me so long to respond; I'm only in the office a couple of
> days a week in the summer.
>
> The scheme came from the Nov. 1991 issue of Journal of Chemical Education
> (vol 68, no. 11, p. 942). "A Short Qualitative Analysis Scheme without
> Hazardous Wastes", by John T. Petty.
>
> We made a couple of minor modifications, such as making sure the solution
> is basic before testing for nickel, and using ammonium thiocyanate and
> 1-pentanol in place of 1-nitroso-2-naphthol when testing for cobalt.
>
> Basically, though, the scheme works great and can be completed in about 3
> hours. We have the students test known solutions of the ions one week and
> do an unknown the second week.
>
> Gillian Gardner
> Lewis & Clark College
>
> On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Frank Switzer wrote:
>
> > At 02:25 PM 6/25/98 -0700, you wrote:
> > >I found a qual scheme in Journal of Chemical Education a few years back
> > >which uses neither of them. The elements it uses are: Al, Fe, Mn, Ba,
> > >Ca, Co, Cu, Mg, Ni. The scheme works great and avoids the highly toxic
> > >metals.
> > >
> > >Gillian Gardner
> >
> > It would be great to have specific citation.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
> > Frank L. Switzer, Ph.D.
> > Associate Professor of Chemistry
> > Coker College 300 East College Ave.
> > Hartsville, SC 29550
> >
> > Voice: (843)383-8090
> > Fax: (843)383-8048
> > e-mail: fswitzer@pascal.coker.edu
> > http://www.coker.edu/chemistry
> > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
> >

Barbara O'Keeffe,
Advancia Corporation
211 SW "A" Avenue, Lawton, Oklahoma 73501
http://www.advancia.com
voice: 580-355-1471 fax: 580-357-9360
e-mail: okeeffeb@advancia.com
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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:10:41 -0600
From: Shelly Havlovick <shelly.havlovick@ANLW.ANL.GOV>
Subject: More dimethyl Hg....
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I received information from the list serve on the subject title. I was
wondering if you (Harry Elston) could send it out a second time. I would
like to pass it to several of my colleges.

Thanks
Shelly Havlovick
Industrial Hygienist/LSO
Argonne National Laboratory-West
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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:39:35 -0700
From: Gillian Gardner <gardner@LCLARK.EDU>
Subject: Re: nonhazardous qual scheme
Comments: To: Barbara O'Keeffe <okeeffeb@advancia.com>
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Well, I look at it in a couple of ways. First, the majority of the
students who take our general chemistry course are not chemistry majors
and will not be encountering these assays once they leave college. Most
of them are biology/pre-med students. Second, those who are chemistry
majors will encounter more waste disposal issues and nastier chemicals as
they progress through the chemistry major. At the first year level, I'm
more concerned about their safety as they are learning a variety of
techniques. What they have learned will still be applicable as they move
on to other situations. Also, we have a policy in place of trying to
reduce the amount of hazardous waste generated. I would prefer to
generate hazardous waste in a course that has a dozen students versus a
course with 100 or more. That said, we do have labs that utilize
hazardous chemicals and produce hazardous waste even in our freshman level
courses. Well, enough said.

Gillian Gardner

On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Barbara O'Keeffe wrote:

> Question that still comes to mind is how do you students know if they have
> lead, chromium, silver, etc.? Seems to me, that what we are looking at are
> qual schemes for innocuous metals, but the ones used in industry are not
> being addressed?
>
> Wouldn't it be much more instructive to incorporate the testing and problems
> with DISPOSAL in a class setting.
>
>
>
> Date sent: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:50:03 -0700
> Send reply to: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List <LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU>
> From: Gillian Gardner <gardner@LCLARK.EDU>
> Subject: Re: nonhazardous qual scheme
> To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
>
> > Sorry it took me so long to respond; I'm only in the office a couple of
> > days a week in the summer.
> >
> > The scheme came from the Nov. 1991 issue of Journal of Chemical Education
> > (vol 68, no. 11, p. 942). "A Short Qualitative Analysis Scheme without
> > Hazardous Wastes", by John T. Petty.
> >
> > We made a couple of minor modifications, such as making sure the solution
> > is basic before testing for nickel, and using ammonium thiocyanate and
> > 1-pentanol in place of 1-nitroso-2-naphthol when testing for cobalt.
> >
> > Basically, though, the scheme works great and can be completed in about 3
> > hours. We have the students test known solutions of the ions one week and
> > do an unknown the second week.
> >
> > Gillian Gardner
> > Lewis & Clark College
> >
> > On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Frank Switzer wrote:
> >
> > > At 02:25 PM 6/25/98 -0700, you wrote:
> > > >I found a qual scheme in Journal of Chemical Education a few years back
> > > >which uses neither of them. The elements it uses are: Al, Fe, Mn, Ba,
> > > >Ca, Co, Cu, Mg, Ni. The scheme works great and avoids the highly toxic
> > > >metals.
> > > >
> > > >Gillian Gardner
> > >
> > > It would be great to have specific citation.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
> > > Frank L. Switzer, Ph.D.
> > > Associate Professor of Chemistry
> > > Coker College 300 East College Ave.
> > > Hartsville, SC 29550
> > >
> > > Voice: (843)383-8090
> > > Fax: (843)383-8048
> > > e-mail: fswitzer@pascal.coker.edu
> > > http://www.coker.edu/chemistry
> > > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
> > >
>
>
> Barbara O'Keeffe,
> Advancia Corporation
> 211 SW "A" Avenue, Lawton, Oklahoma 73501
> http://www.advancia.com
> voice: 580-355-1471 fax: 580-357-9360
> e-mail: okeeffeb@advancia.com
>
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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:13:58 EDT
From: "Roger H. Postley" <RPostley@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Secondary School Administrator Science Safety Education!!!
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Hello NACHO members (et al.);

I find myself in the (questionably) =93neat=94 position of having to pres=
ent a=0Athree hour =91safety=92 seminar for a local school system=92s mid=
dle and high school=0Aadministrators next Fall. This could include up to=
15 head principals and 20=0Aassociate principals! I obviously must cove=
r overviews of the OSHA=0ALaboratory Standard and the school system=92s =
Chemical Hygiene Plan. I need=0Ayour help for the rest....

PLEASE -- I need as much input as possible!!!! Beyond the above minima, =
what=0Aelse do public school administrators need to hear / learn about re=
ality in=0Asecondary science classrooms??

REMEMBER -- the output of the public schools becomes a large percentage o=
f the=0Acollege and industry input! I am trying to improve your =93raw=
=94 material as=0Asafety filters down from the school administrators to s=
econdary students to=0Acollege freshmen. What do school administrators N=
EED to hear to improve=0Asafety awareness and practice in public schools?=
??

If your comments are pertinent to the entire list at large, please post t=
hem=0Ato the list. If they are only pertinent to my situation, please se=
nd comments=0Ato me at:

RPostley@aol.com.

Yours in safety education,

Roger H. Postley
Pres., Chem-Safe, Inc.
(28 year retired-veteran chemistry teacher)

(JAK - in particular, I need your input...)

To misquote JAK, =93There t=91aint nuff time to teach science unsafe! We=
dun=0Agotst to do better sumhow sumwhat!=94
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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 07:28:39 -0400
From: "Reeder, Deborah" <dmreeder@MAIL.AACC.CC.MD.US>
Subject: Re: Secondary School Administrator Science Safety Education!!!
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To Roger, etc.-

The labeling of chemical bottles has become an issue in our public
school system so you might want to cover those requirements. The
purchased an inexpensive program from Flinn Scientific ($36) but I
haven't heard how it is working out.

Deborah M. Reeder
Chemistry Laboratory Manager

Anne Arundel Community College
101 College Parkway
Arnold, Maryland 21012

voice: 410-541-2224
fax: 410-541-2525
e-mail: dmreeder@mail.aacc.cc.md.us

> ----------
> From: Roger H. Postley[SMTP:RPostley@AOL.COM]
> Reply To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List
> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 1998 9:13 PM
> To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
> Subject: Re: Secondary School Administrator Science Safety
> Education!!!
>
> Hello NACHO members (et al.);
>
> I find myself in the (questionably) ?neat? position of having to
> present a
> three hour ?safety? seminar for a local school system?s middle and
> high school
> administrators next Fall. This could include up to 15 head principals
> and 20
> associate principals! I obviously must cover overviews of the OSHA
> Laboratory Standard and the school system?s Chemical Hygiene Plan. I
> need
> your help for the rest....
>
> PLEASE -- I need as much input as possible!!!! Beyond the above
> minima, what
> else do public school administrators need to hear / learn about
> reality in
> secondary science classrooms??
>
> REMEMBER -- the output of the public schools becomes a large
> percentage of the
> college and industry input! I am trying to improve your ?raw?
> material as
> safety filters down from the school administrators to secondary
> students to
> college freshmen. What do school administrators NEED to hear to
> improve
> safety awareness and practice in public schools???
>
> If your comments are pertinent to the entire list at large, please
> post them
> to the list. If they are only pertinent to my situation, please send
> comments
> to me at:
>
> RPostley@aol.com.
>
> Yours in safety education,
>
> Roger H. Postley
> Pres., Chem-Safe, Inc.
> (28 year retired-veteran chemistry teacher)
>
> (JAK - in particular, I need your input...)
>
> To misquote JAK, ?There t?aint nuff time to teach science unsafe! We
> dun
> gotst to do better sumhow sumwhat!?
>
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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 07:14:35 -0500
From: "Scott M. Davis" <smdavis@EMAIL.UNCC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Secondary School Administrator Science Safety Education!!!
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Hazard Communication Std, Bloodborne pathogens, Asbestos awareness. Also
maybe five minutes each on the school system's lock out/tag out, confined
space, hearing conservation and respiratory protection programs.

Scott Davis

>Hello NACHO members (et al.);
>
>I find myself in the (questionably) "neat" position of having to present a
>three hour 'safety' seminar for a local school system's middle and high school
>administrators next Fall. This could include up to 15 head principals and 20
>associate principals! I obviously must cover overviews of the OSHA
>Laboratory Standard and the school system's Chemical Hygiene Plan. I need
>your help for the rest....
>
>PLEASE -- I need as much input as possible!!!! Beyond the above minima, what
>else do public school administrators need to hear / learn about reality in
>secondary science classrooms??
>
>REMEMBER -- the output of the public schools becomes a large percentage of the
>college and industry input! I am trying to improve your "raw" material as
>safety filters down from the school administrators to secondary students to
>college freshmen. What do school administrators NEED to hear to improve
>safety awareness and practice in public schools???
>
>If your comments are pertinent to the entire list at large, please post them
>to the list. If they are only pertinent to my situation, please send comments
>to me at:
>
>RPostley@aol.com.
>
>Yours in safety education,
>
>Roger H. Postley
>Pres., Chem-Safe, Inc.
>(28 year retired-veteran chemistry teacher)
>
>(JAK - in particular, I need your input...)
>
>To misquote JAK, "There t'aint nuff time to teach science unsafe! We dun
>gotst to do better sumhow sumwhat!"
>
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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:22:25 -0500
Reply-To: mamata@servidor.unam.mx
From: Mario Maldonado <mamata@SERVIDOR.UNAM.MX>
Organization: Fac. Química. UNAM
Subject: Facultad de Química accident
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Hi to everyone.
Last week we have at the National Autonomous University an explosion who
reached a building of the chemistry school. Here are some newspapers
abstracts. Although there is nothing still from the corresponding safety
authorities, the main thought is that the explosion was caused by a a
gas leak. Respond to mamata@servidor.unam.mx
Greetings

Mario Maldonado

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<hr><h4 align=right>Jueves 02 de Julio de 1998
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<h3>Explosión en Investigaciones Biomédicas de la UNAM; Acumulación de gas Butano, Posible Causa

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No Hubo Pérdidas Humanas; Fueron Destruidos Diez Laboratorios

PATRICIA RUIZ y JULIO MORALES

Una fuerte explosión suscitada en la madrugada de ayer en el Instituto de Investigaciones Biomédicas (IIB) de la UNAM, probablemente por acumulación de gas butano, destruyó totalmente 10 laboratorios con equipos muy valiosos y afectó estructuras y fachadas de por lo menos cuatro facultades y de otras dependencias en Ciudad Universitaria en 400 metros cuadrados. No hubo pérdidas humanas, y los daños materiales ascienden a cerca 12 millones de pesos.
De acuerdo con las primeras versiones del personal de Protección Civil de la UNAM, el siniestro no fue provocado ni producto de boicot o sabotaje; fue por negligencia voluntaria o involuntaria o por descuido del personal que trabaja en el IIB; su director, Carlos Larralde Rangel, dijo que además de los cuantiosos daños materiales, la onda expansiva afectó importantes investigaciones sobre el genoma humano, sida, tuberculosis y cisticercosis, y que su recuperación llevará mucho tiempo.
A las 5:30 de la mañana se suscitó el percance, considerado como de gran magnitud por los responsables de la dirección de Protección a la Comunidad de la UNAM, empero, se destacó que la explosión no generó fuego ni humo, lo que reafirma la hipótesis de que fue concentrado gas butano en el laboratorio de biología celular, y con el calentamiento de algún equipo eléctrico (probablemente una computadora) se produjo la explosión.
A temprana hora llegó al IIB, ubicado en el circuito interior de CU, el rector de la UNAM Francisco Barnés de Castro, quien lamentó los daños ocasionados al equipo de cómputo recién adquirido por la UNAM, así como en los laboratorios. Informó que se realizarán los peritajes en las estructuras de los edifcios para grantizar la seguridad de investigadores, académicos y alumnos de este instituto. Más tarde llegó el secretario general Xavier Cortés Rocha, pero se negó a declarar. Iba acompañado del doctor Raúl Carvajal Contreras, coordinador de asesorres del rector.
Los edificios de la UNAM están asegurados por cuatro compañías por 120 millones de pesos, más otros 30 millones que protegen equipos y mobiliario. En el dictamen del siniestro participa personal de la Produraduría General de la República, de la Judicial del Distrito Federal, de la Dirección General de Obras de la UNAM, así como representantes de las aseguradoras.
Más de 150 personas participaron en el control del incendio.
La indagatoria de 73 grupos de científicos, 300 estudiantes de maestría y posgrado y 120 trabajadores administrativos será detenida. En esta dependencia se manejan sustancias químicas y biológicas. El tanque de gas con capacidad para almecenar 500 kilogramos no resultó afectado, según el personal de Protección a la Comunidad.
Versiones extraoficiales indicaron que la explosión no llegó al área donde se encuentran potentes virus utilizados como material biológico; una mayor conflagración podría haber esparcido las bacterias en el ambiente, con sus consecuentes daños para la salud humana.
Un comunicado oficial de la UNAM aseguró que en el área del siniestro no se esparció ningún tipo de sustancia que pudiera poner en riesgo la salud de la comunidad universitaria o que genere problemas ambientales.
El director del IIB, Carlos Larralde Rangel, detalló que en este centro de investigaciones se realizan trabajos de biología molecular e inmunología, cisticercosis y ambiasis y se elaboran también vacunas para abatir distintas enfermedades, así como el programa sobre el genoma humano. La pérdida de éstos es irrecuperable, dijo.
Por lo pronto, el personal del IIB será reubicado en otras dependencias universitarias o del sector salud para no frenar la marcha de las investigaciones en este instituto fundado en 1941 y ubicado en Ciudad Universitaria desde 1957.
El director de Protección a la Comunidad de la UNAM, Brígido Navarrete, adelantó que la causa de la explosión pudo haber sido el calentamiento de una computadora o de los ductos eléctricos o un corto circuito. Aseguró que el Plan Operativo de Protección Civil se puso en marcha a los cinco minutos de haberse registrado el suceso. El personal de vigilancia de la zona no resultó afectado y los laboratorios estaban vacíos, por lo cual no hubo desgracias personales.
Explicó que la onda expansiva fue similar a la de un cañón: voló paredes de los laboratorios que son de un material ligero y flexible; aunque la conflagración fue calificada de "muy fuerte", no causó daños con graves consecuencias.
A su vez, el doctor Guillermo Salgado, subdirector de Protección Civil de la UNAM, destacó que la explosión no generó fuego ni humo, simplemente fue una fuerza que se expandió, lanzando a varios metros de distancia el equipo de laboratorio (entre éste un pesado refrigerador). Pero la versión de los bomberos indicaba lo contrario: el humo se extendió y ellos lo mitigaron. En una pared del edificio se observaba una mancha negra.
En su oportunidad, el doctor Eduardo Marambio Dennett, coordinador de Seguridad, Prevención de Riesgos y Protección Civil de la UNAM, opinó que cualquier accidente como el de ayer constituye negligencia voluntaria, involuntaria o por descuido. Y aunque consideró que los investigadores universitarios sí están capacitados para manejar sustancias peligrosas, les hace falta tener una cultura de la prevención, porque con su trabajo cotidiano pasan por alto las precauciones que están obligados a tener.
Brígido Navarrete aceptó que el riesgo en el manejo de las sustancias químico-peligrosas es inminente en las área de investigación de Ciudad Universitaria, como es el caso del IIB, la Facultad de Química, Medicina y Odontología, así como en las subestaciones eléctricas y unidades de Zaragoza Iztacala y Cuautitlán.
El plan operativo de seguridad funcionó ayer ante esta eventualidad y, según el subdirector de esta área, Antonio Delgado Arau, desde temprana hora se dio aviso a todo el personal involucrado, quien de acuerdo con un programa diseñado por especialistas, se dio respuesta inmediata y se llamó al equipo de bomberos de CU y de la delegación Coyoacán, a Protección Civil, de la UNAM y del Distrito Federal.
Horas después del percance, que atrajo a muchos curiosos, el área afectada fue acordonada. El daño más visible estuvo en el laboratorio de Biología Celular, en la planta baja. Los alrededores se encontraban cubiertos por pedacería de cristales de las ventanas y puertas de los inmuebles afectados. La onda explosiva también afectó la Facultad de Medicina y Odontología. La más dañada fue la de Química.
El muro localizado en la parte posterior del edificio del IIB quedó totamente destrozado por la explosión que dañó también un un enorme ventanal de la hemeroteca de la Facultad de Química. La gran puerta de cristal de esta facultad quedó destrozada y los vidrios estaban expandidos en los pasillos de éste.
El arquitecto Benjamín Ruiz, director del Cuerpo de Prevención de la Facultad de Química, dijo que la onda explosiva tuvo un alcance de 100 metros. "Jamás había ocurrido un siniestro de esta magnitud en esta facultad ni en alguna otra", comentó. Agregó que hay varias hipóstesis, como la presencia de hidrógeno, el cual se combinó con oxígeno. Un chispazo pudo producir la explosión.
En tanto, Enrique Bazúa Rueda, director de la Facultad de Química, hizo un recorrido para supervisar los daños. Declaró que para grantizar la seguridad de investigadores, maestros, alumnos y visitantes fueron suspendidas las actividades; a los investigadores y alumnos se les pidió que formaran grupos para que ingresaran al edificio y rescataran lo que consideraran de vital importancia.
Según el reporte de los cuerpos de socorro de la UNAM, la conflagración se dio aproximadamente a las 5:30 horas y fue escuchada a varios kilómetros. Los comandantes del cuerpo de bomberos de la UNAM, Gabriel Baxin y Enrique Corona dijeron que al llegar al lugar del siniestro se encontraron con un incendio que consumía gran parte de la planta baja y afectó también los pisos superiores del edificio. Dijeron haber sido avisados de la explosión a las 5:30 horas y que cuando llegaron el fuego amenazaba con extenderse a la parte superior del edificio. Una vez controlado el fuego procedieron a remover escombros.
La onda explosiva (semejante a la que ocurrió en Guadalajara hace unos años) fue de tal magnitud, que dañó severamente a la Facultad de Química, que se encuentra a unos 30 metros de distancia y está separada por un muro con malla ciclónica. Los cuerpos de socorro de la UNAM procedieron a la remoción de escombros y a retirar los reactivos y otras substancias que se encontraban dentro del inmueble, pues algunas de ellas podrían haber provocado una reacción explosiva.
En tanto, los investigadores que llegaron a laborar se encontraron con un cuadro desolador. Inmediatamente procedieron a retirar escombros y a identificar sus pertenencias. Todos lamentaron la tragedia, pero nadie habló de responsables. En caso de que se determine culpabilidad de alguna persona, ésta enfrentará los cargos de negligencia y daños al patrimonio universitario.
Las autoridades universitarias consideraron que en 24 horas pueden esperarse los primeros dictámenes de siniestro que por sus características no es el primero que ocurre en la UNAM. En los años setenta hubo uno similar en la Facultad de Química, y en 1990 otro en un laboratorio en Iztacala.
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Congresistas estadunidenses visitaron el penal de Cerro Hueco en 
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Detención de uno de los presuntos agresores de reporteros gráficos que
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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:42:23 -0500
From: "Gery J. Essenmacher" <essenmac@CHEM.WISC.EDU>
Subject: Safety of Experiment involving human saliva
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What is your opinion of the safety issues involved in a chemistry
experiment for an introductory level college chemistry course in which each
student analyzes his or her own saliva for the concentration of thiocyanate
ions. The saliva is centrifuged and pipetted and then analyzed
spectrophotometrically. Would any special cleaning or sterilization of the
pipets and glassware be needed?

Thanks,

Gery

_________________________________

Gery J. Essenmacher, Ph.D.
General Chemistry Coordinator
University of Wisconsin-Madison
Department of Chemistry
1101 University Ave.
Madison, WI 53706
phone: 608/263-4852
essenmac@chem.wisc.edu

_________________________________
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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:44:26 -0700
From: Gillian Gardner <gardner@LCLARK.EDU>
Subject: Re: Safety of Experiment involving human saliva
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We do an experiment here analyzing the level of amylase enzyme in saliva.
We use the following precautions:

Each student does their own experiment with their own saliva.
We use disposable plastic pipets.
The used pipets are placed in a biohazard bag and autoclaved before
disposing in the garbage.

Gillian Gardner

On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Gery J. Essenmacher wrote:

> What is your opinion of the safety issues involved in a chemistry
> experiment for an introductory level college chemistry course in which each
> student analyzes his or her own saliva for the concentration of thiocyanate
> ions. The saliva is centrifuged and pipetted and then analyzed
> spectrophotometrically. Would any special cleaning or sterilization of the
> pipets and glassware be needed?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gery
>
> _________________________________
>
> Gery J. Essenmacher, Ph.D.
> General Chemistry Coordinator
> University of Wisconsin-Madison
> Department of Chemistry
> 1101 University Ave.
> Madison, WI 53706
> phone: 608/263-4852
> essenmac@chem.wisc.edu
>
> _________________________________
>
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:29:03 -0400
From: Fran Martin <fmartin@CCSINC.COM>
Subject: Expanded MSDS CD-ROM Database
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Laboratory professionals may find a three CD-ROM set of more than 225,000
Material Safety Data Sheets (MSDSs) for trade and generic chemicals a useful
reference tool.

See http://www.env-sol.com/solutions/MSDS.HTML

Fran Martin
FM Research & Consulting
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:35:49 -0500
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From: "Ina J. Ahern" <i_ahern@LR.NET>
Subject: Acid Spill in Salem NH
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On Monday, July 6th, there was an accident at an environmental
consulting firm in Salem, NH. A gallon bottle of 90% nitric acid was
dropped by one of two employees of a firm that had been hired to remove
the chemicals. Although those workers were apparently wearing
protective clothing, the representative of the environmental consulting
firm who was showing the workers what chemicals to remove was not. He
was seriously burned in the incident and seven other workers and two
firefighters were treated for symptoms of inhaling acid fumes.

The story was covered in The Union Leader, our statewide newspaper. The
main story is available on line at www.theunionleader.com for the date
July 7th. There was an additional article concerning OSHA's response
that is not posted on the website. I've contacted the paper about
permission to reprint to the list serve and they've referred me to the
correspondent who has yet to call me back. Will let you know more as
soon as I hear anything.

As this is my first posting, I suppose I should introduce myself. My
name is Ina Ahern and I'm a science teacher at Plymouth Regional High
School in New Hampshire. I have a strong interest in the area of lab
safety and attend related workshops whenever I can. I really feel I'm
gaining a great deal of knowledge by "lurking" on this list serve.
Thanks for all the great information!
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Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:11:53 -0500
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From: "Ina J. Ahern" <i_ahern@LR.NET>
Subject: Acid Spill in Salem, NH--FollowUp
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The Union Leader correspondent failed to get back in touch with me, so
here's my "excerpts" from the two additonal stories on the spill

*OSHA Questions Injured Worker's Safety Preparation*

This was a side story on the day of the first coverage of the accident.

It says that if initial reports from firefighters were correct, the
employee who was seriously burned did not follow safety procedures. The
assistant regional administrator (Robert Hooper) for OSHA stated that
any employee directing hazardous materials crew should wear protective
clothing. "When you're dealing with acid, people are required to be
protected from head to toe," Hooper said. "If he was providing
instruction to the employees transferring the nitric acid, then
absolutely, positively he should have been protected."

The initial report on the incident should be turned in within the next
several days and will help determine whether or not the employer and the
employee were following proper procedures, whether employees had
received proper training, and whether the employee was wearing
appropriate protective equipment. The final determination on the cause
of the accident could take weeks or months.

Various divisions of the company across the country have been inspected
by OSHA 17 times and has been found in violation 4 or 5 times. Total
fines have amounted to $4660.

*Skin Grafts for Victim of Acid Spill*

This was the follow up story the next day.

The engineer was listed in serious condition and remained in intensive
care after undergoing skin graft surgery.

The employees of the firm hired to remove the nitric acid and dispose of
it were packing the bottle into a safe container when the spill
occured. The fire department had reported that the bottle was
dropped, but officials of the disposal company said the bottle either
exploded or disintegrated. The two workers from the disposal company
suffered chemical burns but were not seriously injured. They had
returned to work.

I had two questions as a result of these stories:
1. How does OSHA define "head to toe"?
2. Is anyone else familiar with cases where bottles of nitric acid have
"exploded or disintegrated?"

Ina Ahern
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Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:39:01 EDT
From: Labsafe@AOL.COM
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In a message dated 98-07-07 16:52:24 EDT, you write:

<< What is your opinion of the safety issues involved in a chemistry
experiment for an introductory level college chemistry course in which each
student analyzes his or her own saliva for the concentration of thiocyanate
ions. The saliva is centrifuged and pipetted and then analyzed
spectrophotometrically. Would any special cleaning or sterilization of the
pipets and glassware be needed? >>

It's my understanding that saliva is treated as a body fluid under the
Bloodborne Pathogens Standard (29CFR1910.1030).

Do others agree? ... jim

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Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:58:50 -0400
From: Mary Ann Solstad <msolstad@MEDIAONE.NET>
Subject: Re: Safety of Experiment involving human saliva
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At 09:39 PM 7/12/98 EDT, you wrote:

>In a message dated 98-07-07 16:52:24 EDT, you write:

>

><<<< What is your opinion of the safety issues involved in a chemistry

> experiment for an introductory level college chemistry course in which each

> student analyzes his or her own saliva for the concentration of thiocyanate

> ions. The saliva is centrifuged and pipetted and then analyzed

> spectrophotometrically. Would any special cleaning or sterilization of the

> pipets and glassware be needed? >>

>

>It's my understanding that saliva is treated as a body fluid under the

>Bloodborne Pathogens Standard (29CFR1910.1030).

>

>Do others agree? ... jim

>

Regulatory issues aside, on a pragmatic, common sense point of view, how different is it from washing the dishes at home, or, in case things are mixed up, in a restaurant. Certainly many of them will have been in contact with saliva, and except for dishes in a hospital or other place where infection may be presumed, a dishwasher at appropriate temperature is considered adequate.

But please don't take this as gospel, just one biological layman's opinion.

Mary Ann

Mary Ann

Mary Ann Solstad

16 Pequot Rd

Marblehead, MA 01945-1202

tel 781-631-4748, FAX 781-631-1832

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:55:00 -0400
From: "Tayman, Tammy" <ttayman@MC.CC.MD.US>
Subject: Re: Acid Spill in Salem, NH--FollowUp
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Does this mean that when I take a bottle of Concentrated Nitric Acid (or any
concentrated acid, for that matter) out of the corrosives cabinet, I should
be wearing some sort of proximity suit?!? I find that rather silly, at
best.

Tammy Tayman
----------
From: Ina J. Ahern
To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
Subject: Acid Spill in Salem, NH--FollowUp
Date: Sunday, July 12, 1998 6:11PM

The Union Leader correspondent failed to get back in touch with me, so
here's my "excerpts" from the two additonal stories on the spill

*OSHA Questions Injured Worker's Safety Preparation*

This was a side story on the day of the first coverage of the accident.

It says that if initial reports from firefighters were correct, the
employee who was seriously burned did not follow safety procedures. The
assistant regional administrator (Robert Hooper) for OSHA stated that
any employee directing hazardous materials crew should wear protective
clothing. "When you're dealing with acid, people are required to be
protected from head to toe," Hooper said. "If he was providing
instruction to the employees transferring the nitric acid, then
absolutely, positively he should have been protected."

The initial report on the incident should be turned in within the next
several days and will help determine whether or not the employer and the
employee were following proper procedures, whether employees had
received proper training, and whether the employee was wearing
appropriate protective equipment. The final determination on the cause
of the accident could take weeks or months.

Various divisions of the company across the country have been inspected
by OSHA 17 times and has been found in violation 4 or 5 times. Total
fines have amounted to $4660.

*Skin Grafts for Victim of Acid Spill*

This was the follow up story the next day.

The engineer was listed in serious condition and remained in intensive
care after undergoing skin graft surgery.

The employees of the firm hired to remove the nitric acid and dispose of
it were packing the bottle into a safe container when the spill
occured. The fire department had reported that the bottle was
dropped, but officials of the disposal company said the bottle either
exploded or disintegrated. The two workers from the disposal company
suffered chemical burns but were not seriously injured. They had
returned to work.

I had two questions as a result of these stories:
1. How does OSHA define "head to toe"?
2. Is anyone else familiar with cases where bottles of nitric acid have
"exploded or disintegrated?"

Ina Ahern
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:18:14 -0400
From: "MacCormick, Robert" <rmaccormick@GENZYME.COM>
Subject: Glove selection
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I'm attempting to assemble some guidance information associated with
glove selection. I regularly use BEST's glove guide and the Chemical
Protective Clothing Guide - Quick Selection Guide. What other
guides/tools/references are people using for selecting gloves for
say......Nitric acid?

Rob MacCormick
Site Manager - Safety & Env. Compliance
Health, Safety & Environmental Department
Genzyme Corporation
rmaccormick@genzyme.com
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:10:29 -0500
From: Janeen LaPierre <JLaPierre@MAILBOX.UNE.EDU>
Subject: Saliva Chem Lab
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Hi Gery.

As long as the saliva is not contaminated by visible blood, you really do =
not have to worry. Regular washing of glassware in a solution of alconox =
and hot water would take care of any garden variety virus and bacteria. =
It is a good opportunity to introduce your students to bloodborne pathogen =
concerns and instruct them on the importance of washing glassware and =
keeping lab areas clean. If you have someone to give a ten minute intro =
on the subject of universal precautions and how the virus and bacteria in =
their saliva is different from that of HIV, it would be a perfect =
opportunity to show students how Biology and Chemistry are interrelated.

Just in case you are wondering, I work in the microbiology department here =
at the university=27s med school. Microbes are my life. My department =
members were questioning the lack of safety info directed at microbes and =
working with biohazards. They have a wealth of knowledge that I have =
eagerly tapped into.

Your experiment sounds very interesting and shows ways that biology and =
chemistry work together. Could you e-mail me a copy of the procedure? =
Sounds like something our Life Sciences department might like to use.

For what its worth, Janeen.=20
***********************
Janeen Lapierre, Lab Coordinator*CHO
University of New England*College of Osteopathic Medicine
11 Hills Beach Road
Biddeford, ME 04005
207*283*0170
JLaPierre=40mailbox.une.edu
*********************
All opinions expressed are not those of UNE.

>>>>>>>>>>

Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:42:23 -0500
From: =22Gery J. Essenmacher=22 <essenmac=40CHEM.WISC.EDU>
Subject: Safety of Experiment involving human saliva

What is your opinion of the safety issues involved in a chemistry
experiment for an introductory level college chemistry course in which =
each
student analyzes his or her own saliva for the concentration of thiocyanate=

ions. The saliva is centrifuged and pipetted and then analyzed
spectrophotometrically. Would any special cleaning or sterilization of the
pipets and glassware be needed?

Thanks,

Gery

_________________________________

Gery J. Essenmacher, Ph.D.
General Chemistry Coordinator
University of Wisconsin-Madison
Department of Chemistry
1101 University Ave.
Madison, WI 53706
phone: 608/263-4852
essenmac=40chem.wisc.edu
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:20:28 -0400
From: "Alan Warren(RD)" <AWarren@PQCORP.COM>
Subject: Re: Glove selection

Lab Safety Supply (Janesville WI), January 1998 catalog, page 101, has a
very good glove/chemical compatibility chart.

>----------
>From: MacCormick, Robert[SMTP:rmaccormick@GENZYME.COM]
>Sent: Monday, July 13, 1998 10:18 AM
>To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
>Subject: Glove selection
>
>I'm attempting to assemble some guidance information associated with
>glove selection. I regularly use BEST's glove guide and the Chemical
>Protective Clothing Guide - Quick Selection Guide. What other
>guides/tools/references are people using for selecting gloves for
>say......Nitric acid?
>
>Rob MacCormick
>Site Manager - Safety & Env. Compliance
>Health, Safety & Environmental Department
>Genzyme Corporation
>rmaccormick@genzyme.com
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:40:17 EDT
From: Jennifer Reader <jennifer@EHS.UOGUELPH.CA>
Organization: Environmental Health and Safety
Subject: Re: Acid Spill in Salem, NH--FollowUp
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Re: "exploding bottles".

Every now and then, the bottom falls out of a glass bottle. It
is usually caused by a crack forming in a circular fashion
around the bottom. The crack can be caused by setting the
bottle down a little too hard on an unforgiving surface such as
stone or it can be caused by the buildup of pressure inside the
bottle due to temperature changes or chemical reaction.

The next person to pick up the bottle "gets lucky" and the
weight of the contents cause the crack to finally give way and
the contents go sploosh all over the place.

Unless we know what is meant by "disintegration" this is all
purely conjecture.

Jennifer Reader, B.S., M.S.P.H.
Hazardous Materials Safety Officer
Environmental Health and Safety
University of Guelph
Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1 Canada
519-824-4120 X3190 Fax 519-824-0364
e-Mail jennifer@ehs.uoguelph.ca
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:01:32 -0400
From: Madelyn Miller <mmiller@ANDREW.CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Glove selection
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Greetings all,
Try the Quick Selection guide to Chemical Protective Clothing, Van
Nostrand Reinhold. ISBN 0-442-01215-2. runs about $25. Buy from Jim.

P. S. Anyone going to New Orleans?

----------------------
Madelyn Miller
Chemical Safety Specialist,CCHO
Environmental Health & Safety
Carnegie Mellon University
mmiller@andrew.cmu.edu
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:22:59 -0600
From: "Helen B. Gerhard" <hbgerhard@MEDLOGIC.COM>
Subject: Re: Acid Spill in Salem, NH--FollowUp
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Which is all the more reason to store and carry bottles in secondary
containers.

Thanks!

Helen

-----Original Message-----
From: Jennifer Reader [SMTP:jennifer@EHS.UOGUELPH.CA]
Sent: Monday, July 13, 1998 9:40 AM
To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
Subject: Re: Acid Spill in Salem, NH--FollowUp

Re: "exploding bottles".

Every now and then, the bottom falls out of a glass bottle. It
is usually caused by a crack forming in a circular fashion
around the bottom. The crack can be caused by setting the
bottle down a little too hard on an unforgiving surface such as
stone or it can be caused by the buildup of pressure inside the
bottle due to temperature changes or chemical reaction.

The next person to pick up the bottle "gets lucky" and the
weight of the contents cause the crack to finally give way and
the contents go sploosh all over the place.

Unless we know what is meant by "disintegration" this is all
purely conjecture.

Jennifer Reader, B.S., M.S.P.H.
Hazardous Materials Safety Officer
Environmental Health and Safety
University of Guelph
Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1 Canada
519-824-4120 X3190 Fax 519-824-0364
e-Mail jennifer@ehs.uoguelph.ca
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:33:36 -0400
From: Bob Burns <rburns@BIGFOOT.COM>
Subject: Re: Acid Spill in Salem, NH--FollowUp
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I think his remarks are taken out of context. He probably meant that when
handeliing hazardous waste acid, you need to be suited. Probably meant in
large quantities, too. IN that context, I'd agree.

I'd like to hear a chemist report on what actually happened, too.

I think this illustrates why we have a Lab Standard which applies only to
lab operations.

Bob

"Everything is easy for the person who does not have to do it!"

Robert L. Burns
Group Leader, R&D
RUETGERS Organics Corporation
201 Struble Road
State College, PA 16801
phone 814-231-9214
fax 814-238-1567
email rburns@bigfoot.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Tayman, Tammy <ttayman@MC.CC.MD.US>
To: LABSAFETY-L@siu.edu <LABSAFETY-L@siu.edu>
Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 09:05
Subject: Re: Acid Spill in Salem, NH--FollowUp

>Does this mean that when I take a bottle of Concentrated Nitric Acid (or
any
>concentrated acid, for that matter) out of the corrosives cabinet, I should
>be wearing some sort of proximity suit?!? I find that rather silly, at
>best.
>
>Tammy Tayman
> ----------
>From: Ina J. Ahern
>To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
>Subject: Acid Spill in Salem, NH--FollowUp
>Date: Sunday, July 12, 1998 6:11PM
>
>The Union Leader correspondent failed to get back in touch with me, so
>here's my "excerpts" from the two additonal stories on the spill
>
>*OSHA Questions Injured Worker's Safety Preparation*
>
>This was a side story on the day of the first coverage of the accident.
>
>It says that if initial reports from firefighters were correct, the
>employee who was seriously burned did not follow safety procedures. The
>assistant regional administrator (Robert Hooper) for OSHA stated that
>any employee directing hazardous materials crew should wear protective
>clothing. "When you're dealing with acid, people are required to be
>protected from head to toe," Hooper said. "If he was providing
>instruction to the employees transferring the nitric acid, then
>absolutely, positively he should have been protected."
>
>The initial report on the incident should be turned in within the next
>several days and will help determine whether or not the employer and the
>employee were following proper procedures, whether employees had
>received proper training, and whether the employee was wearing
>appropriate protective equipment. The final determination on the cause
>of the accident could take weeks or months.
>
>Various divisions of the company across the country have been inspected
>by OSHA 17 times and has been found in violation 4 or 5 times. Total
>fines have amounted to $4660.
>
>*Skin Grafts for Victim of Acid Spill*
>
>This was the follow up story the next day.
>
>The engineer was listed in serious condition and remained in intensive
>care after undergoing skin graft surgery.
>
>The employees of the firm hired to remove the nitric acid and dispose of
>it were packing the bottle into a safe container when the spill
>occured. The fire department had reported that the bottle was
>dropped, but officials of the disposal company said the bottle either
>exploded or disintegrated. The two workers from the disposal company
>suffered chemical burns but were not seriously injured. They had
>returned to work.
>
>
>I had two questions as a result of these stories:
>1. How does OSHA define "head to toe"?
>2. Is anyone else familiar with cases where bottles of nitric acid have
>"exploded or disintegrated?"
>
>Ina Ahern
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:38:51 -0500
From: "Dr. Linda A. Swihart" <swihart@PURDUE.EDU>
Subject: New Orleans
In-Reply-To: <SIMEON.9807131232.B@miller-pc.PC.CC.CMU.EDU>
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>P. S. Anyone going to New Orleans?

>----------------------
>Madelyn Miller

I am going to New Orleans and would be delighted to meet other NACHOs. Has
anything been planned? (I sugned off recently for a 10-day vacation, just
getting back). If not, maybe we should just pick an evening and meet at
the bar in the conference hotel....
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:50:32 -0700
From: Michael Ahler
<Ahler_Michael_D/cpslo_employee1@POLYMAIL.CPUNIX.CALPOLY.EDU>
Subject: Acid Incident in NH
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I have been following the report and ensuing comments on this incident
for a few days now. I am moved to share three observations:

1. In any kind of accident follow -up, the participants/survivors are
generally reluctant to relive their mistakes - reluctant to recount what
they think you would see as their mistakes. I see this as a natural
human reaction. Nobody I know really craves culpability, and several I
have met (adults) went to great lengths to avoid it (even though they
had it).

2. Beware of the temptation to ascribe absolute accuracy to anything
in the news. I have been interviewed a few times by a reporter(s) only
to find something distantly related to what I said appearing in print.

3. Notwithstanding my gripe number 2 (above), the original news report
was quoted on this List as mentioning 90% Nitric Acid as the spilled
acid. Concentrated Nitric Acid, comes from the manufacturer with an
assay of 71%. 90% nitric acid is called Fuming nitric acid (or Red
Fuming Nitric Acid). This is 71% nitric acid with extra nitrogen
dioxide dissolved in it, making it a very aggressive oxidizing agent.
If this truely was the material involved in this accident ( 1 whole
gallon, did they say?) I can see how anyone in the vicinity of this
spill would have dire medical consequences if not properly "suited".

I recall reading somewhere that bottles of fuming nitric acid should be
vented occasionally since the build-up of internal pressure is likely.
This possibility is mentioned in Bretherick's book, but not much detail
is given. I can't find the reference again even though I have looked
"everywhere" for it. The 2 x 1 pint bottles of fuming nitric acid our
chemistry department used to have would vent audibly and visibly every
time I did it ( about once a year). All this leads credence to the
report of "bursting" acid bottle(s).
AND,
If there were only one material for which the bottle carrier was
invented, this would certainly be it.

Thanks
Michael Ahler, CHO
Risk Management
Cal Poly State University
San Luis Obispo, California,
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:52:11 -0600
From: "Sonja G. Ringen" <Ringen@UWYO.EDU>
Subject: Re: New Orleans
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Taking advantage of other national meetings to get into contact with other
NACHO members makes sense to me. I will also be in New Orleans (dreading
the thought of the heat). Perhaps Monday or Tuesday evening at the
conference hotel?
To those others coming to the conference, please come and hear our
session on Strategies for Paying for Waste Disposal, on Tuesday at 10:30
a.m., Track IV. (I don't like the idea holding discussions with empty
rooms.)

Sonja Ringen, Manager
Environmental Health and Safety
University of Wyoming

> >P. S. Anyone going to New Orleans?
>
> >----------------------
> >Madelyn Miller
>
> I am going to New Orleans and would be delighted to meet other NACHOs.
> Has
> anything been planned? (I sugned off recently for a 10-day vacation, just
> getting back). If not, maybe we should just pick an evening and meet at
> the bar in the conference hotel....
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:47:33 -0600
From: D Sharpe <sharpdc@MAIL.AUBURN.EDU>
Subject: Consulting Policy
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>We are looking at developing a consulting policy for our administrative
>and professional staff. I was wondering how many other Colleges or
>Universities have a written or (unwritten policy) regarding cousulting
>done by their safety or environmental professional staff. If so please
>provide a brief description. You can e-mail me directly. Thanks so much!
>
>

Debra Sharpe
University Safety Officer
Auburn University
fax (334) 844-4640
Ph (334) 844-4870
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:19:14 -0400
Reply-To: daniel@wsii.com
From: "Daniel R. Gigante" <daniel@WSII.COM>
Subject: Unneeded Chemical Inventories Wanted
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Unison International is looking to acquire, free of charge, large
inventories (20,000 - 20 million lbs. per chemical) of unused
surplus/unneeded chemicals of all kinds. Out-of-date chemicals are
acceptable. Also, accepting larger quantities of lead, mercury and rare
gases. Please email, fax or call with a description of any inventories you
have, now and in the future.

Daniel R. Gigante
Unison International
Tel: 401-848-5957
Fax: 401-847-8964
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:09:17 -0700
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From: Angela Larsen <angela@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
Subject: TK- mutant
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One of our researchers is planning on working with herpes virus TK- mutant.
Can anyone clue me in on the BSL level needed and any other safety
precautions, or anywhere that I can find out more information? You may
respond privately. Thanks in advance.

Angela Larsen
Lab Safety Specialist
Office of Environmental Health and Safety
University of Oregon
angela@oregon.uoregon.edu
(541) 346-2867
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:33:20 -0700
From: Barry Rutledge <kbrut@SCRIPPS.EDU>
Subject: New Orleans
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A NACHO gathering sound like a good way to put faces on the names we see so
often. I suggest that we gather on Tuesday night due to the "events"
planned for Monday and Wednesday. I'll even bring a "NACHO" sign to the
conference hotel bar as a gathering point. How does 6:00 p.m. sound?

Barry

Kenneth "Barry" Rutledge, Senior Safety Specialist
The Scripps Research Institute
Environmental Health and Safety (Mail Drop BCC-078)
10550 N. Torrey Pines Road
La Jolla, CA 92037

(619) 784-9565
(619) 784-8490 Fax
kbrut@scripps.edu
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:53:58 -0500
From: Debbie Decker <dmdecker@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Subject: Re: TK- mutant
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At 02:09 PM 7/13/98 -0700, you wrote:
>One of our researchers is planning on working with herpes virus TK- mutant.
> Can anyone clue me in on the BSL level needed and any other safety
>precautions, or anywhere that I can find out more information? You may
>respond privately. Thanks in advance.

Angela!!

How the heck are you? Hope all is well.

As you can see, I'm no longer with Sacramento State University and am now
with UCDavis. Nice to be back at my alma mater!

Go check out our webpage (www.ehs.ucdavis.edu) - there's a ton of stuff on
biosafety on the webpage. If you can't find what you want, e-mail the
biosafety officer, Diane (address on the webpage) and she'll probably be
able to help you.

I'm a happy camper - my view is nice (creek and a big cedar tree),
co-wokers are congenial.

Take care,
Deb.

Debbie Decker, Health and Safety Specialist
EH&S TB30
UCDavis
One Shields Avenue
Davis, CA 95616-8586
(530)754-7964
(530)752-4527 (fax)
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:30:55 EDT
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In a message dated 98-07-13 00:02:26 EDT, you write:

<< But, if a Doctor has made the decision that the employee is capable of
returning to work and has clearly spelled out what type of work is suitable
for the employee; the employee has to follow that path or risk whatever is
company policy for refusal. >>

My preference would be for the doctor to specify any work restrictions and
leave it to the employer to decide what jobs are appropriate for the employee.
The doctor can say, for example, the employee can't lift more than ten pounds
or
stand for more than ten minutes per hour. The employer can assign an
appropriate duty.

How do others feel about this distinction?.... jim

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:34:49 -0400
From: Bob Burns <rburns@BIGFOOT.COM>
Subject: chemtech
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The July issue of Chem Tech has an interesting article about toxicity of
mixtures. Interestingly enough, in the case of benzene, it's less toxic in
gasoline than by itself.

Bob

"Everything is easy for the person who does not have to do it!"

Robert L. Burns
Group Leader, R&D
RUETGERS Organics Corporation
201 Struble Road
State College, PA 16801
phone 814-231-9214
fax 814-238-1567
email rburns@bigfoot.com
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:46:00 -0500
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>>>>>>>>>>

Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:30:55 EDT
From: Labsafe=40AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Return to Work

In a message dated 98-07-13 00:02:26 EDT, you write:

<< But, if a Doctor has made the decision that the employee is capable of
returning to work and has clearly spelled out what type of work is =
suitable
for the employee; the employee has to follow that path or risk whatever =
is
company policy for refusal. >>

My preference would be for the doctor to specify any work restrictions and
leave it to the employer to decide what jobs are appropriate for the =
employee.
The doctor can say, for example, the employee can=27t lift more than ten =
pounds
or
stand for more than ten minutes per hour. The employer can assign an
appropriate duty.

How do others feel about this distinction?.... jim

*****************************************************
James A. Kaufman, President
The Laboratory Safety Workshop
192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760
508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 LabSafe=40aol.com
Safety in Science Education

<<<<<<<<<<
Hi Jim.

I have to agree with you. We are currently dealing with a situation that =
leaves me feeling very uncomfortable. The doctor has diagnosed the person =
with a chemical sensitivity that induces asthma and other systemic =
responses. Yet the doctor has given the go ahead for this employee to =
return to the lab and work that involves use of this chemical.

I think it is difficult for a medical professional to know all the details =
of the work place and jobs unless they have been to the facility and =
actually observed the jobs in progress. I don=27t know many docs who make =
house calls any more.

For what it=27s worth, Janeen.
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Janeen Lapierre, Lab Coordinator*CHO
University of New England*College of Osteopathic Medicine
11 Hills Beach Road
Biddeford, ME 04005
207*283*0170
JLaPierre=40mailbox.une.edu
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All opinions expressed are not those of UNE.
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:48:37 -0400
From: Madelyn Miller <mmiller@ANDREW.CMU.EDU>
Subject: NACHOs in New Orleans (Nawlands)
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Greetings,
The 45th International Conference of Campus Safety along with the 16th
College & University Hazardous Waste Conference is July 19th.

Anyone interested in meeting other NACHO members (actually anyone
else who want to come )a for diner Tuesday evening dinner. Look for a
note on a bulletin board by the registration table.

We expect hot steamy evenings but good food and GREAT company!
See y'all then.
Madelyn

----------------------
Madelyn Miller
Chemical Safety Specialist,CCHO
Environmental Health & Safety
Carnegie Mellon University
mmiller@andrew.cmu.edu
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:22:34 -0500
From: Jeff Rubin <jrubin@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Return to Work
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It's unusual for a doc to spell out what an employee CAN do. Many
employers have OJI clearance-for-work forms that ask the doc to list
restrictions - similar to what Jim used as examples. At my previous place
of employment, back injuries were the most common OJI (just as they are
elsewhere in health care, especially prehospital); it was common for
employees to be cleared back to "light duty," with the limitations
specified by the doc. It was up to the employer to find temporary duties
that fit the restrictions (which generally meant working in billing - an
effective way to promote speedy recovery). Some restrictions are, well,
restrictive: no sitting for more than 15 min (requiring several breaks per
hour), work days no longer than four hours, etc.

JNR

>In a message dated 98-07-13 00:02:26 EDT, you write:
>
><< But, if a Doctor has made the decision that the employee is capable of
> returning to work and has clearly spelled out what type of work is suitable
> for the employee; the employee has to follow that path or risk whatever is
> company policy for refusal. >>
>
>My preference would be for the doctor to specify any work restrictions and
>leave it to the employer to decide what jobs are appropriate for the employee.
>The doctor can say, for example, the employee can't lift more than ten pounds
>or
>stand for more than ten minutes per hour. The employer can assign an
>appropriate duty.
>
>How do others feel about this distinction?.... jim

Jeff Rubin, Asst. Dean for EHS
College of Natural Sciences G2500
W.C. Hogg Building
University of Texas at Austin
Austin, TX 78712-1199
(512) 471-6176 (O)
(512) 471-4998 (F)
jrubin@mail.utexas.edu

"The opinions of Dr. Rubin do not necessarily represent those of the
Canadian government, with whom he has no affiliation."
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:27:10 -0500
From: Harry Elston <helston@FGI.NET>
Subject: NACHO's at ACS Meeting in Boston?
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Are there any plans for a NACHO get-together at the ACS Boston meeting, end
of August?

Harry

Harry J. Elston, Ph.D., NRCC-CHO
Chemical Hygiene Officer
Illinois Department of Nuclear Safety
Opinions are mine, not my employer's, blah, blah, blah

"You won't find this on 'Beakman's World.'"
-Special Agent Fox Mulder
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:34:47 -0400
From: Jennifer Butrym <jbutrym@GAULIN-RANNIE.COM>
Subject: Re: NACHO's at ACS Meeting in Boston?
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Yes - we should definately plan something. I will be attending the ACS
meeting alone. (Woe is me...) I'd love to meet with some of you all! I'd
recommend a place, but since I'm still new to the Boston area and live up
in NH, Boston is as foreign to me as China... Anyone else have a
recommendation?

Jenny Butrym
Customer Service Lab Manager
APV Homogenizer Group
Wilmington, MA
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:49:28 -0400
From: Andrew Szilagyi <Andrew.Szilagyi@EM.DOE.GOV>
Subject: Re: Consulting Policy

Debra,

while I dont have written/unwirtten policy to give you, off the top of
my head you would want to cover at least three things

(1) make it clear that the consulting work done is 100% seperate from
university affiliation

(2) prohibit the use of university equipment, staff, and other
resources

(3) ensure that there is no conflict of interest.

andrew.szilagyi@em.doe.gov

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Subject: Consulting Policy
Author: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU at INTERNET
Date: 7/13/98 4:47 PM

>We are looking at developing a consulting policy for our administrative
>and professional staff. I was wondering how many other Colleges or
>Universities have a written or (unwritten policy) regarding cousulting
>done by their safety or environmental professional staff. If so please
>provide a brief description. You can e-mail me directly. Thanks so much!
>
>

Debra Sharpe
University Safety Officer
Auburn University
fax (334) 844-4640
Ph (334) 844-4870
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:54:52 -0500
From: Erik Talley <erik@CEHS.SIU.EDU>
Subject: ACS DivCHAS Program and Abstracts
Comments: To: "safety@uvmvm.uvm.edu" <safety@uvmvm.uvm.edu>,
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The American Chemical Society, Division of Chemical Health and Safety
Program, Abstracts and Workshops for the 216th ACS National Meeting in
Boston this August are now available on-line at the following location:

http://dchas.cehs.siu.edu/meetings/index.htm

Please check it out if interested and let us know if you have any
comments.

Thanks,

Erik

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Erik Talley, Assistant Director
Center for Environmental Health and Safety
Southern Illinois University
erik@cehs.siu.edu
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 05:00:00 GMT
From: Desi Justis <JUSTIS@HOBBS1.LYNCHBURG.EDU>
Organization: Lynchburg College
Subject: Re: NACHOs in New Orleans (Nawlands)

Where can I get more info on the conferences mentioned below? ---Desi

Greetings,
The 45th International Conference of Campus Safety along with the 16th
College & University Hazardous Waste Conference is July 19th.

----------------------
Madelyn Miller
Chemical Safety Specialist,CCHO
Environmental Health & Safety
Carnegie Mellon University
mmiller@andrew.cmu.edu
Desi Justis
Lab Manager Biology-Chemistry
Lynchburg College
Lynchburg, VA 24501
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:42:38 -0400
From: Madelyn Miller <mmiller@ANDREW.CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: NACHOs in New Orleans (Nawlands)
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Try this web site. P. S. It starts this weekend.
(http://www.tmc.tulane.edu/oehs/cshema98.htm)
Madelyn
On Tue, 14 Jul 1998 05:00:00 GMT Desi Justis
<JUSTIS@HOBBS1.LYNCHBURG.EDU> wrote:

> Where can I get more info on the conferences mentioned below? ---Desi
>
>
> Greetings,
> The 45th International Conference of Campus Safety along with the 16th
> College & University Hazardous Waste Conference is July 19th.
>
> ----------------------
> Madelyn Miller
> Chemical Safety Specialist,CCHO
> Environmental Health & Safety
> Carnegie Mellon University
> mmiller@andrew.cmu.edu
> Desi Justis
> Lab Manager Biology-Chemistry
> Lynchburg College
> Lynchburg, VA 24501

----------------------
Madelyn Miller
Chemical Safety Specialist,CCHO
Environmental Health & Safety
Carnegie Mellon University
mmiller@andrew.cmu.edu
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:48:35 -0500
From: "Dr. Linda A. Swihart" <swihart@PURDUE.EDU>
Subject: Re: NACHOs in New Orleans (Nawlands)
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See http://www.tmc.tulane.edu/oehs/cshema98.htm

At 05:00 AM 7/14/98 GMT, you wrote:
>Where can I get more info on the conferences mentioned below? ---Desi
>
>
>>Greetings,
>>The 45th International Conference of Campus Safety along with the 16th
>>College & University Hazardous Waste Conference is July 19th.
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:29:21 -0600
From: Mark Smith <smithme@ALPHA.HENDRIX.EDU>
Subject: Substance Specific Standards
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Does anyone know off hand if all OSHA standards which are substance
specific (asbestos for instance) are in the 1910 subpart Z listing?

And, is the OSHA web page the best place to go for information on these or
is there a more user friendly list around for those substances we will
likely encounter in an academic lab?

Thought someone might know, Thanks!

MS

***************************************
MARK SMITH
HENDRIX COLLEGE CHEMISTRY
LABORATORY COORDINATOR
CHEMICAL HYGIENE OFFICER
***************************************
1600 Washington Ave
Conway, AR 72032
501-450-3812
Fax : 501-450-3829
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:41:04 -0600
From: D Sharpe <sharpdc@MAIL.AUBURN.EDU>
Subject: Re: Consulting Policy
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> Debra,
>
> while I dont have written/unwirtten policy to give you, off the top of
> my head you would want to cover at least three things
>
> (1) make it clear that the consulting work done is 100% seperate from
> university affiliation
>
> (2) prohibit the use of university equipment, staff, and other
> resources
>
> (3) ensure that there is no conflict of interest.
>
> andrew.szilagyi@em.doe.gov
>
>
>______________________________ Reply Separator
>_________________________________
>Subject: Consulting Policy
>Author: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU at INTERNET
>Date: 7/13/98 4:47 PM
>
>
>>We are looking at developing a consulting policy for our administrative
>>and professional staff. I was wondering how many other Colleges or
>>Universities have a written or (unwritten policy) regarding cousulting
>>done by their safety or environmental professional staff. If so please
>>provide a brief description. You can e-mail me directly. Thanks so much!
>>
>>
>
>Debra Sharpe
>University Safety Officer
>Auburn University
>fax (334) 844-4640
>Ph (334) 844-4870

Thanks but what do you do if the consulting will increase your technical
experience and you need to use very expensive monitoring equipment. We are
grappling with this issue now.

Debra Sharpe
University Safety Officer
Auburn University
fax (334) 844-4640
Ph (334) 844-4870
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:35:32 -0400
From: Mark Yanchisin <mark@EHS.UFL.EDU>
Subject: ANSI Safety Shower and Eye Wash Standard
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Does anyone know the status of the proposed revision of the ANSI Safety
Shower and Eye Wash Standard? Is it in effect now? Where can one get a
copy?

Thanks!!

Mark Yanchisin
Coordinator for Clinic and Laboratory Safety Programs
Environmental Health and Safety
University of Florida
PO Box 112190, Building 1079
Gainesville, FL 32611-2190
352-392-1591
Mark@ehs.ufl.edu
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:26:17 EDT
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Subject: Re: NACHO's at ACS Meeting in Boston?
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I would like to propose a breakfast on Monday morning in
the same hotel where the Council committee on Chemical
safety is meeting. Then, interested can attend the meeting.

Any alternative suggestions? .... Jim
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:30:04 EDT
From: Labsafe@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: NACHO's at ACS Meeting in Boston?
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All NACHO members attending the Boston ACS meeting
should consider sitting in on the meeting of the executive
committee of DCHAS on Sunday morning and the Council
Committee on chemical safety meeting monday morning.

All visitors are welcome. I will be happy to introduce you to
the group ... jim
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:52:01 -0700
From: Becky Hoagland <HoaglanB@ARS.USDA.GOV>
Subject: Substance Specific Standards -Reply
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Mark, I've found the OSHA web page the best place for the type of info
you're seeking....get it straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak.
Also, I think the OSHA site is very user friendly and extremely easy to
navigate.

Happy surfing.
Becky

Becky Hoagland
Environmental Protection Specialist
USDA-ARS
P.O. Box 225

>>> Mark Smith <smithme@ALPHA.HENDRIX.EDU> 07/14/98 04:29pm >>>
Does anyone know off hand if all OSHA standards which are substance
specific (asbestos for instance) are in the 1910 subpart Z listing?

And, is the OSHA web page the best place to go for information on these
or
is there a more user friendly list around for those substances we will
likely encounter in an academic lab?

Thought someone might know, Thanks!

MS

***************************************
MARK SMITH
HENDRIX COLLEGE CHEMISTRY
LABORATORY COORDINATOR
CHEMICAL HYGIENE OFFICER
***************************************
1600 Washington Ave
Conway, AR 72032
501-450-3812
Fax : 501-450-3829
***************************************
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:24:14 -0700
From: Angela Larsen <angela@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
Subject: Arsenic
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Hi,

I've got a researcher using inorganic arsenic in one of his processes.
Preliminary wipe testing has been done in and around the process area, and
air monitoring is to follow. I know that the OSHA action level for arsenic
is 5 ug per cubic meter of air, however, I cannot seem to find much
information on surface contamination. The OSHA section on arsenic
(1910.1018) mentions a vague reference in the housekeeping section, but not
much more. Does anybody have an inside track on arsenic surface
contamination? Thanks in advance.

Angela Larsen
EHS
University of Oregon
(541) 346-2867
angela@oregon.uoregon.edu
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:43:20 -0400
From: Mary Ann Solstad <msolstad@MEDIAONE.NET>
Subject: Re: Arsenic
In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980714162413.0068ce14@oregon.uoregon.edu>
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At 04:24 PM 7/14/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I've got a researcher using inorganic arsenic in one of his processes.
>Preliminary wipe testing has been done in and around the process area, and
>air monitoring is to follow. I know that the OSHA action level for arsenic
>is 5 ug per cubic meter of air, however, I cannot seem to find much
>information on surface contamination. The OSHA section on arsenic
>(1910.1018) mentions a vague reference in the housekeeping section, but not
>much more. Does anybody have an inside track on arsenic surface
>contamination? Thanks in advance.
>
>Angela Larsen
>EHS
>University of Oregon
>(541) 346-2867
>angela@oregon.uoregon.edu
>
Wipe samples for lead and asbestos are hard to relate to air C samples.
What for the air sampling.
That said, clean up surfaces with a wet wipe. Remember, what is on the
counter is generally speaking not in the lungs. Vigorous sweeping or dry
dusting would change that.

Mary Ann
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:40:29 -0400
From: Andrew Szilagyi <Andrew.Szilagyi@EM.DOE.GOV>
Subject: Re[2]: Consulting Policy

I understand BUT my statement hold given the information I have. An
alternative approach is to have the university act as the consultant
(for profit organization) and have your professional staff carry out
the work.

andrew.szilagyi@em.doe.gov

______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: Consulting Policy
Author: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU at INTERNET
Date: 7/14/98 4:41 PM

> Debra,
>
> while I dont have written/unwirtten policy to give you, off the top of
> my head you would want to cover at least three things
>
> (1) make it clear that the consulting work done is 100% seperate from
> university affiliation
>
> (2) prohibit the use of university equipment, staff, and other
> resources
>
> (3) ensure that there is no conflict of interest.
>
> andrew.szilagyi@em.doe.gov
>
>
>______________________________ Reply Separator
>_________________________________
>Subject: Consulting Policy
>Author: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU at INTERNET
>Date: 7/13/98 4:47 PM
>
>
>>We are looking at developing a consulting policy for our administrative
>>and professional staff. I was wondering how many other Colleges or
>>Universities have a written or (unwritten policy) regarding cousulting
>>done by their safety or environmental professional staff. If so please
>>provide a brief description. You can e-mail me directly. Thanks so much!
>>
>>
>
>Debra Sharpe
>University Safety Officer
>Auburn University
>fax (334) 844-4640
>Ph (334) 844-4870

Thanks but what do you do if the consulting will increase your technical
experience and you need to use very expensive monitoring equipment. We are
grappling with this issue now.

Debra Sharpe
University Safety Officer
Auburn University
fax (334) 844-4640
Ph (334) 844-4870
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:26:38 -0400
From: "Walters.Douglas" <walters@NIEHS.NIH.GOV>
Subject: Re: NACHO's at ACS Meeting in Boston?
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Good idea.
Doug Walters

> ----------
> From: Labsafe@AOL.COM
> Reply To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List
> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 6:26 PM
> To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
> Subject: Re: NACHO's at ACS Meeting in Boston?
>
> I would like to propose a breakfast on Monday morning in
> the same hotel where the Council committee on Chemical
> safety is meeting. Then, interested can attend the meeting.
>
> Any alternative suggestions? .... Jim
>
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:02:29 -0500
From: Harry Elston <helston@FGI.NET>
Subject: Re: NACHO's at ACS Meeting in Boston?
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I'll second that :)

At 01:26 PM 7/15/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Good idea.
>Doug Walters
>
>> ----------
>> From: Labsafe@AOL.COM
>> Reply To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 6:26 PM
>> To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
>> Subject: Re: NACHO's at ACS Meeting in Boston?
>>
>> I would like to propose a breakfast on Monday morning in
>> the same hotel where the Council committee on Chemical
>> safety is meeting. Then, interested can attend the meeting.
>>
>> Any alternative suggestions? .... Jim
>>
>
>

Harry J. Elston, Ph.D., NRCC-CHO
Chemical Hygiene Officer
Illinois Department of Nuclear Safety
Opinions are mine, not my employer's, blah, blah, blah

"You won't find this on 'Beakman's World.'"
-Special Agent Fox Mulder
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:05:06 -0700
From: Becky Hoagland <HoaglanB@ARS.USDA.GOV>
Subject: Re: NACHO's at ACS Meeting in Boston? -Reply
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Count me in.

Becky Hoagland
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:21:38 -0400
From: Julie Kniesly <jaknie01@GWISE.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Arsenic (long treatise on surface contamination)

>>> Angela Larsen <angela@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU> 07/14 7:24 PM >>>
I cannot seem to find much information on surface contamination. The
OSHA section on arsenic (1910.1018) mentions a vague reference in the
housekeeping section, but not much more.

Angela,
OSHA says that surfaces should be kept as free as "practicable" of
arsenic. "Practicable" means that you do as much as you can to
eliminate surface contamination or at least keep it to a minimum. It
also acknowledges that in some situations prevention or elimination of
all contamination is not possible. In those situations you strive for
control, to keep contamination as low as possible.

For example, in an ore processing operation large amounts of dust are
created. So it is pretty much impossible to completely prevent surface
contamination. In a situation like this you target dust control using
ventilation, dust suppression, frequent cleanings, and proper work
practices (e.g., wet mopping instead of dry sweeping).

In a laboratory operation, where you are working in a controlled
environment and dealing with small quantities, you would be expected to
have a much higher level of control. I think that you would be
hard-pressed to justify *any* measurable quantity of As surface
contamination. After all, spills should be cleaned immediately and
thoroughly, and plastic backed bench liners can be used to protect
surfaces. You can also devise a containment device around areas where
contamination is more likely (e.g., analytical balance).

If your laboratory operation involves large quantities or grinding (as
might be found in some engineering fields, for example), control may be
more difficult. If you have difficulty determining your control
options, you can contact me off-line and I'm sure that we can come up
with something.

As Mary Ann noted, surface contamination has not been reliably
correlated with body burden, which is one of the reasons why OSHA does
not place a number on allowable surface contamination loads. An
important point to consider, though, is that surface contamination will
be transferred to the hands and clothing. If rigorous handwashing is
not conducted, the contamination can be spread to food items and be
ingested. Contaminated clothing and shoes will spread the material to
cars and homes, a particular concern where children are involved. It is
also important to note that it is a confirmed human carcinogen (lung and
skin).

There is more toxicological information to consider, depending on the
form of inorganic As in use. Again, feel free to contact me off line if
you wish. In the meantime, good luck with your project.

Julie Kniesly, CIH
University of Louisville
jaknie01@gwise.louisville.edu
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:11:58 -0400
From: "Ciarelli, Phillip A." <ciarelpa@WESTINGHOUSE.COM>
Subject: Arsenic Contamination
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Angela,
You might want to try and contact Dr. Jeffery Paull of USEPA Region 9. Dr
Paul has prepared a doctorial thesis (Jeffery, M. Paull, Ph.D., A Proposed
Risk-Based Model for the Evaluation of Surface Contamination , and the
Assessment of Potential Dermal Exposure, Doctoral Thesis, Johns Hopkins
University, Baltimore, Maryland, 1997) concerning risk based screening
levels for surface contamination. One of the tenants at our research lab had
an explosion that caused arsenic contamination to a large high bay area. We
had an industrial hygienist help us determine the appropriate levels of
cleaning. He used the information from Dr. Paull's work to specify a "clean
level" level. I believe Dr. Paull equations were based on the research done
on environmental lead.
As a data point, typical background concentrations of arsenic in soils range
from 2-20 mg/kg, Chu Yan, Arsenic in the Environment pp. 17-50, 1994.

Phil Ciarelli CSP
Westinghouse STC
ciarelpa@westinghouse.com

>>> Angela Larsen <angela@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU> 07/14 7:24 PM >>>
I cannot seem to find much information on surface contamination. The
OSHA section on arsenic (1910.1018) mentions a vague reference in the
housekeeping section, but not much more.
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:47:57 -0500
From: Jeff Rubin <jrubin@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Glove selection
In-Reply-To: <SIMEON.9807131232.B@miller-pc.PC.CC.CMU.EDU>
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Ditto on that - excellent reference for labs and emergency response. If
you want to spend big bucks, CRC publishes "Protective Gloves for
Occupational Use" (Mellstrom et al., 1994), for ~ $100. Perhaps available
from Jim as well?

JNR

>Greetings all,
>Try the Quick Selection guide to Chemical Protective Clothing, Van
>Nostrand Reinhold. ISBN 0-442-01215-2. runs about $25. Buy from Jim.

Jeff Rubin, Asst. Dean for EHS
College of Natural Sciences G2500
W.C. Hogg Building
University of Texas at Austin
Austin, TX 78712-1199
(512) 471-6176 (O)
(512) 471-4998 (F)
jrubin@mail.utexas.edu

"The opinions of Dr. Rubin do not necessarily represent those of the
Canadian government, with whom he has no affiliation."
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:57:55 -0600
From: "Helen B. Gerhard" <hbgerhard@MEDLOGIC.COM>
Subject: Chemicals other than Flammables in Flame Cabinets
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Hi Folks:

I am hoping that some of you can provide me with the "legal" reasons that
non-flammables should not be kept in a flam cabinet with flammables. One of
my chemists claim that the only legal requirement is that non-compatibles
should be separated and it is her contention that corrosives and flammables
are not incompatible. Please help.

Thanks!

Helen
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:11:37 -0400
From: "Chang, Jim C" <jcc11472@GLAXOWELLCOME.COM>
Subject: Re: Chemicals other than Flammables in Flame Cabinets
Comments: To: "Helen B. Gerhard" <hbgerhard@MEDLOGIC.COM>
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Helen

To my knowledge there is no legal reason that other items cannot be
stored in FL cabinets. We do draw the line when other items crowd out
FLs and force them to be stored outside.

With regard to compatibility, this needs to approached carefully.
Obviously storage of anything that is a potential ignition source in the
cabinet is a poor idea. In general, one typically finds no adverse
reaction between bases and organics (FLs) in the literature. There is
the possibility of the reaction between strong acids (especially
oxidizing and dehydrating acids) and organics, so acids + FLs may not be
a good idea.

Last thought is that depending upon who your local Fire Marshal is, you
may have problems. Often times, these people do not have a good
chemical background and see different symbols or names and will cite you
regardless of the risk.

Jim C.
Safety Engineer
Glaxo Wellcome Inc.

----------
From: Helen B. Gerhard [SMTP:hbgerhard@MEDLOGIC.COM]
Sent: Friday, July 17, 1998 2:58 PM
To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
Subject: Chemicals other than Flammables in Flame Cabinets

Hi Folks:

I am hoping that some of you can provide me with the "legal"
reasons that
non-flammables should not be kept in a flam cabinet with
flammables. One of
my chemists claim that the only legal requirement is that
non-compatibles
should be separated and it is her contention that corrosives and
flammables
are not incompatible. Please help.

Thanks!

Helen
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:26:35 -0500
From: Jeff Rubin <jrubin@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject: NFPA 45 proposals solicited (ALL)
In-Reply-To: <435ACBA4E161D1118AC7006008A057A0174370@ehs-nts1.ehs.ufl.edu>
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Greetings,

The National Fire Protection Assn. (NFPA) regularly solicits
update/revision proposals for its standards, including NFPA 45 (Fire
Protection for Laboratories Using Chemicals). This is a chance to have
some input for the standards that many of us use. The NFPA 45-1996
committee will accept (and act on) proposals submitted by the end of the
1/8/99. For more information, you may consult NFPA's website:
http://www.nfpa.org

Onward,

JNR

Jeff Rubin, Asst. Dean for EHS
College of Natural Sciences G2500
W.C. Hogg Building
University of Texas at Austin
Austin, TX 78712-1199
(512) 471-6176 (O)
(512) 471-4998 (F)
jrubin@mail.utexas.edu

"The opinions of Dr. Rubin do not necessarily represent those of the
Canadian government, with whom he has no affiliation."
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:39:18 -0500
From: Jeff Rubin <jrubin@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Chemicals other than Flammables in Flame Cabinets
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Assuming that the non-flammables are not incompatible with the flammables,
I tell our lab denizens that we try to matach cabinet contents with their
labels. On a more practical note, I point out that cabinets aren't cheap,
and the space within shouldn't be wasted on chemicals that don't require
specialty storage. If I had to choose, however, I'd rather have flammables
and non-flammables in a FL cabinet, than have FLs out on the shelves.

As far as corrosives go, they tend not to go well with metal shelves, and I
don't know if the coating in FL cabinets is acid-resistant - that's why
there are specialty cabinets for acids. What kind of corrosives are they?
Surely she's not contending that the oxidizing acids are comaptible with
organic solvents and acids?

JNR

>Hi Folks:
>
>I am hoping that some of you can provide me with the "legal" reasons that
>non-flammables should not be kept in a flam cabinet with flammables. One of
>my chemists claim that the only legal requirement is that non-compatibles
>should be separated and it is her contention that corrosives and flammables
>are not incompatible. Please help.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Helen

Jeff Rubin, Asst. Dean for EHS
College of Natural Sciences G2500
W.C. Hogg Building
University of Texas at Austin
Austin, TX 78712-1199
(512) 471-6176 (O)
(512) 471-4998 (F)
jrubin@mail.utexas.edu

"The opinions of Dr. Rubin do not necessarily represent those of the
Canadian government, with whom he has no affiliation."
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:14:46 -0700
From: Barry Rutledge <kbrut@SCRIPPS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Chemicals other than Flammables in Flame Cabinets
In-Reply-To: <A01B9B2609E4D111BC9800C0F03095FA0AA8E1@MLGC-COS-NT01>
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Helen,

Here in San Diego, the Fire Marshal is the "authority having jurisdiction"
over matters of this nature. They will not allow the storage of acids,
bases or flammable liquids in the same cabinet. So, we are "legally"
forced to sort our chemicals into at least those three classes, each having
their own cabinet. Further we must separate our acids by compatibility as
well. Welcome to sunny So Cal.

Barry

At 12:57 PM 7/17/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Hi Folks:
>
>I am hoping that some of you can provide me with the "legal" reasons that
>non-flammables should not be kept in a flam cabinet with flammables. One of
>my chemists claim that the only legal requirement is that non-compatibles
>should be separated and it is her contention that corrosives and flammables
>are not incompatible. Please help.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Helen
>
>

Kenneth "Barry" Rutledge, Senior Safety Specialist
The Scripps Research Institute
Environmental Health and Safety (Mail Drop BCC-078)
10550 N. Torrey Pines Road
La Jolla, CA 92037

(619) 784-9565
(619) 784-8490 Fax
kbrut@scripps.edu
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:48:49 -0400
From: Bob Burns <rburns@BIGFOOT.COM>
Subject: Re: Chemicals other than Flammables in Flame Cabinets
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Hi Helen,

I agree with the other people who responded- flammables HAVE to be in the
flammable cabnet, but non-fl can be too. As a practical matter, we sort by
acids, bases and flammables, and try not to but any two together. But the
issue always comes up abut what to do with things like ethylamine, which is
both. Our decesion is to put in flammable cabnet, since that is the most
severe hazard.

Have a good weekend!

Bob

"Everything is easy for the person who does not have to do it!"

Robert L. Burns
Group Leader, R&D
RUETGERS Organics Corporation
201 Struble Road
State College, PA 16801
phone 814-231-9214
fax 814-238-1567
email rburns@bigfoot.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Helen B. Gerhard <hbgerhard@MEDLOGIC.COM>
To: LABSAFETY-L@siu.edu <LABSAFETY-L@siu.edu>
Date: Friday, July 17, 1998 15:02
Subject: Chemicals other than Flammables in Flame Cabinets

>Hi Folks:
>
>I am hoping that some of you can provide me with the "legal" reasons that
>non-flammables should not be kept in a flam cabinet with flammables. One
of
>my chemists claim that the only legal requirement is that non-compatibles
>should be separated and it is her contention that corrosives and flammables
>are not incompatible. Please help.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Helen
>
>
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:02:55 -0500
From: Neal Langerman <chemsaf@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: NACHO's at ACS Meeting in Boston?
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At 06:26 PM 7/14/98 EDT, you wrote:
>I would like to propose a breakfast on Monday morning in
>the same hotel where the Council committee on Chemical
>safety is meeting. Then, interested can attend the meeting.
>
>Any alternative suggestions? .... Jim
>
>

I can make it --

Neal
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 12:08:39 EDT
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Please delete me from the list. I am changing jobs.

Thanks!
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:42:03 -0500
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As a former plant manager, we woould want these restrictuions spelled out
in detail and the answer just might be that we don't have work available
that meets these conditions. The ones where a doctor would say 10 lb is
usually OK but there are a number that want to clear themselves of any
liability and put it at 1 or 2 lbs. You probably use that much force just
getting dressed.

Rich

----------
> From: Labsafe@AOL.COM
> To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
> Subject: Re: Return to Work
> Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 5:30 PM
>
> In a message dated 98-07-13 00:02:26 EDT, you write:
>
> << But, if a Doctor has made the decision that the employee is capable of
> returning to work and has clearly spelled out what type of work is
suitable
> for the employee; the employee has to follow that path or risk whatever
is
> company policy for refusal. >>
>
> My preference would be for the doctor to specify any work restrictions
and
> leave it to the employer to decide what jobs are appropriate for the
employee.
> The doctor can say, for example, the employee can't lift more than ten
pounds
> or
> stand for more than ten minutes per hour. The employer can assign an
> appropriate duty.
>
> How do others feel about this distinction?.... jim
>
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:34:07 EDT
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