========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:33:15 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Neal Langerman Subject: Reminder: Respirator Standard Comments: To: occ-med-l@dudley.mc.duke.edu, SAFETY@LIST.UVM.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A reminder to everyone with applicable responsibility: The revised OSHA Respiratory Standard 29 CFR 1910.134, becomes fully effective in approximately five weeks. Now is the time to come into compliance. If you have not updated your Written Plan to reflect the new procedures, you might consider help from the prototype we have available. Visit http://www.chemical-safety.com and go to the REGULATORY DOCUMENTS link to get more information. If you have specific questions about compliance, email me privately and I'll try to help. Neal ************************************************************* NEAL LANGERMAN chemsaf@ix.netcom.com ADVANCED CHEMICAL SAFETY 8909 Complex Drive San Diego CA 92123-1418 619 874 5577 (phone) 619 874 8239 (FAX) 619 990 4908 (cellular) visit our homepage: http://www.chemical-safety.com ************************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:17:54 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Debbie Decker Subject: Cobalt Poisoning Comments: To: mwcf@aecom.yu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm posting this on behalf of a friend, in hopes that someone out there might have some thoughts or ideas. "He is 26 and has been working in a saw sharpening shop - sharpening carbide saws. There was no way to contain the dust. The shop has since been cited by CalOSHA. "About a year or so ago he was having breathing problems. He thought it was just an infection and went to the doctor. Doctor tested - could not determine problem. Said lungs were getting webbing - had never seen anything like it. Bert felt a little better with antibiotics and continued working. It got worse - in the meantime he got REALLY MEAN (one of the symptoms of this type of poisoning) and wife divorces him. Enter math tutoring sessions with divorced friend. She pursues the question of his illness and contacts the Poison Center in Georgia. Sure enough they find out he has cobalt poisoning and his lungs are slowly becoming one big cell incapable of providing enough oxygen to keep him alive. "Last week his doctor said there is no hope for recovery and even with a lung transplant his prognosis is not good - terminal." If you have information or ideas, please pass them along to me privately. If there's interest, I can post a summary. Thanking you all in advance, Debbie Debbie Decker EH&S UCDavis (530)754-7964 dmdecker@ucdavis.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:50:42 +1000 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Barry Searle Subject: Re: Cobalt Poisoning MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Deb, It is really sad news. It is quite amazing that some companies can subject workers (who may have no knowledge of health aspects and are never told by management) to potential fatal health problems for the sake of the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ My view only Barry EM UNIT UNSW -----Original Message----- From: Debbie Decker To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU Date: Wednesday, 2 September 1998 9:09 Subject: Cobalt Poisoning >I'm posting this on behalf of a friend, in hopes that someone out there >might have some thoughts or ideas. > >"He is 26 and has been working in a saw sharpening shop - sharpening >carbide saws. There was no way to contain the dust. The shop has >since been cited by CalOSHA. > >"About a year or so ago he was having breathing problems. He thought >it was just an infection and went to the doctor. Doctor tested - >could not determine problem. Said lungs were getting webbing - had >never seen anything like it. Bert felt a little better with >antibiotics and continued working. It got worse - in the meantime he >got REALLY MEAN (one of the symptoms of this type of poisoning) and >wife divorces him. Enter math tutoring sessions with divorced >friend. She pursues the question of his illness and contacts the >Poison Center in Georgia. Sure enough they find out he has cobalt >poisoning and his lungs are slowly becoming one big cell incapable of >providing enough oxygen to keep him alive. > >"Last week his doctor said there is no hope for recovery and even >with a lung transplant his prognosis is not good - terminal." > >If you have information or ideas, please pass them along to me privately. >If there's interest, I can post a summary. > >Thanking you all in advance, >Debbie > > >Debbie Decker >EH&S UCDavis >(530)754-7964 >dmdecker@ucdavis.edu > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 22:24:21 -0300 Reply-To: damar@wkve.com.br Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Damaris Silveira Duarte Subject: berilium MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear colleagues, We have two oven from a former research project that had been used to dry berilium carbonate. As we need buy ovens to dry plants, I was thinking about use them. So, my questions are: a) Can they be cleaned using some acid solution (e.g. vinagger) and so, lots of water? b) As the plants to be dried are medicinal plants, after cleaned (if it is possible) can we use them safely? Dâmaris Silveira Duarte Centro de Ciências Exatas e Tecnológicas -CECET Universidade Vale do Rio Doce - UNIVALE rua Moreira Sales, 850, Vila Bretas Governador Valadares -Minas Gerais - Brasil CEP 35032-130 Tel: 55 033 2213090 ext.313 Fax: 55 033 2213185 e-mail: damaris@mail.univale.br damar@wkve.com.br lychnos@dedalus.lcc.ufmg.br ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:33:18 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Kathryn Makos Subject: berilium -Reply Comments: To: damar@wkve.com.br Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I posed your questions to a CIH involved with beryllium exposure control = programs at the US Dept. of Energy, and he noted that the precautions that = would have to be taken to safely decontaminate beryllium-coated surfaces = (procedures and employee protection), and the sampling involved to = demonstrate that the ovens were indeed clean, are very expensive. Because = of that, the DOE generally does not decontaminate items for resale or = uncontrolled use that cost less than $50,000. He suspects it would be = cheaper for you to buy new ovens than to clean the contaminated ones. Kathryn Makos, CIH, MPH Smithsonian Institution Office of Environmental Management and Safety ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 11:45:02 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Ben Owens Subject: Re: LABSAFETY-L Digest - 31 Aug 1998 to 1 Sep 1998 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Automatic digest processor wrote: > There are 4 messages totalling 177 lines in this issue. > > Topics of the day: > > 1. Reminder: Respirator Standard > 2. Cobalt Poisoning (2) > 3. berilium > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:33:15 -0700 > From: Neal Langerman > Subject: Reminder: Respirator Standard > > A reminder to everyone with applicable responsibility: > > The revised OSHA Respiratory Standard 29 CFR 1910.134, becomes fully > effective in approximately five weeks. Now is the time to come into co= mpliance. > > If you have not updated your Written Plan to reflect the new procedures= , you > might consider help from the prototype we have available. > > Visit http://www.chemical-safety.com > > and go to the REGULATORY DOCUMENTS link to get more information. > > If you have specific questions about compliance, email me privately and= I'll > try to help. > > Neal > ************************************************************* > NEAL LANGERMAN chemsaf@ix.netcom.com > ADVANCED CHEMICAL SAFETY > 8909 Complex Drive > San Diego CA 92123-1418 > > 619 874 5577 (phone) 619 874 8239 (FAX) > 619 990 4908 (cellular) > > visit our homepage: http://www.chemical-safety.com > > ************************************************************* > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:17:54 -0700 > From: Debbie Decker > Subject: Cobalt Poisoning > > I'm posting this on behalf of a friend, in hopes that someone out there > might have some thoughts or ideas. > > "He is 26 and has been working in a saw sharpening shop - sharpening > carbide saws. There was no way to contain the dust. The shop has > since been cited by CalOSHA. > > "About a year or so ago he was having breathing problems. He thought > it was just an infection and went to the doctor. Doctor tested - > could not determine problem. Said lungs were getting webbing - had > never seen anything like it. Bert felt a little better with > antibiotics and continued working. It got worse - in the meantime he > got REALLY MEAN (one of the symptoms of this type of poisoning) and > wife divorces him. Enter math tutoring sessions with divorced > friend. She pursues the question of his illness and contacts the > Poison Center in Georgia. Sure enough they find out he has cobalt > poisoning and his lungs are slowly becoming one big cell incapable of > providing enough oxygen to keep him alive. > > "Last week his doctor said there is no hope for recovery and even > with a lung transplant his prognosis is not good - terminal." > > If you have information or ideas, please pass them along to me privatel= y. > If there's interest, I can post a summary. > > Thanking you all in advance, > Debbie > > Debbie Decker > EH&S UCDavis > (530)754-7964 > dmdecker@ucdavis.edu > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:50:42 +1000 > From: Barry Searle > Subject: Re: Cobalt Poisoning > > Deb, > > It is really sad news. It is quite amazing that some companies can sub= ject > workers (who may have no knowledge of health aspects and are never told= by > management) to potential fatal health problems for the sake of the > $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ > > My view only > > Barry > EM UNIT > UNSW > > -----Original Message----- > From: Debbie Decker > To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU > Date: Wednesday, 2 September 1998 9:09 > Subject: Cobalt Poisoning > > >I'm posting this on behalf of a friend, in hopes that someone out ther= e > >might have some thoughts or ideas. > > > >"He is 26 and has been working in a saw sharpening shop - sharpening > >carbide saws. There was no way to contain the dust. The shop has > >since been cited by CalOSHA. > > > >"About a year or so ago he was having breathing problems. He thought > >it was just an infection and went to the doctor. Doctor tested - > >could not determine problem. Said lungs were getting webbing - had > >never seen anything like it. Bert felt a little better with > >antibiotics and continued working. It got worse - in the meantime he > >got REALLY MEAN (one of the symptoms of this type of poisoning) and > >wife divorces him. Enter math tutoring sessions with divorced > >friend. She pursues the question of his illness and contacts the > >Poison Center in Georgia. Sure enough they find out he has cobalt > >poisoning and his lungs are slowly becoming one big cell incapable of > >providing enough oxygen to keep him alive. > > > >"Last week his doctor said there is no hope for recovery and even > >with a lung transplant his prognosis is not good - terminal." > > > >If you have information or ideas, please pass them along to me private= ly. > >If there's interest, I can post a summary. > > > >Thanking you all in advance, > >Debbie > > > > > >Debbie Decker > >EH&S UCDavis > >(530)754-7964 > >dmdecker@ucdavis.edu > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 22:24:21 -0300 > From: Damaris Silveira Duarte > Subject: berilium > > Dear colleagues, > > We have two oven from a former research project that had been used to d= ry > berilium carbonate. As we need buy ovens to dry plants, I was thinking > about use them. So, my questions are: > a) Can they be cleaned using some acid solution (e.g. vinagger) and so= , > lots of water? > b) As the plants to be dried are medicinal plants, after cleaned (if it= is > possible) can we use them safely? > > D=E2maris Silveira Duarte > Centro de Ci=EAncias Exatas e Tecnol=F3gicas -CECET > Universidade Vale do Rio Doce - UNIVALE > rua Moreira Sales, 850, Vila Bretas > Governador Valadares -Minas Gerais - Brasil > CEP 35032-130 > Tel: 55 033 2213090 ext.313 > Fax: 55 033 2213185 > e-mail: damaris@mail.univale.br > damar@wkve.com.br > lychnos@dedalus.lcc.ufmg.br > > ------------------------------ > > End of LABSAFETY-L Digest - 31 Aug 1998 to 1 Sep 1998 > ***************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:18:00 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Barbara J. Weaver" Subject: Re: LABSAFETY-L Digest - 31 Aug 1998 to Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I really appreciate the digest form. ---------- From: Ben Owens=5bSMTP:bowens=40UNR.EDU=5d Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 2:45 PM To: LABSAFETY-L=40SIU.EDU Subject: Re: LABSAFETY-L Digest - 31 Aug 1998 to 1 Sep 1998 Automatic digest processor wrote: =3e There are 4 messages totalling 177 lines in this issue. =3e =3e Topics of the day: =3e =3e 1. Reminder: Respirator Standard =3e 2. Cobalt Poisoning (2) =3e 3. berilium =3e =3e ---------------------------------------------------------------------- =3e =3e Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:33:15 -0700 =3e From: Neal Langerman =3cchemsaf=40IX.NETCOM.COM=3e =3e Subject: Reminder: Respirator Standard =3e =3e A reminder to everyone with applicable responsibility: =3e =3e The revised OSHA Respiratory Standard 29 CFR 1910.134, becomes fully =3e effective in approximately five weeks. Now is the time to come into = = compliance. =3e =3e If you have not updated your Written Plan to reflect the new = procedures, you =3e might consider help from the prototype we have available. =3e =3e Visit http://www.chemical-safety.com =3e =3e and go to the REGULATORY DOCUMENTS link to get more information. =3e =3e If you have specific questions about compliance, email me privately and= = I'll =3e try to help. =3e =3e Neal =3e =2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a= =2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a= =2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a =3e NEAL LANGERMAN chemsaf=40ix.netcom.com =3e ADVANCED CHEMICAL SAFETY =3e 8909 Complex Drive =3e San Diego CA 92123-1418 =3e =3e 619 874 5577 (phone) 619 874 8239 (FAX) =3e 619 990 4908 (cellular) =3e =3e visit our homepage: http://www.chemical-safety.com =3e =3e =2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a= =2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a= =2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a =3e =3e ------------------------------ =3e =3e Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:17:54 -0700 =3e From: Debbie Decker =3cdmdecker=40UCDAVIS.EDU=3e =3e Subject: Cobalt Poisoning =3e =3e I'm posting this on behalf of a friend, in hopes that someone out there= =3e might have some thoughts or ideas. =3e =3e =22He is 26 and has been working in a saw sharpening shop - sharpening =3e carbide saws. There was no way to contain the dust. The shop has =3e since been cited by CalOSHA. =3e =3e =22About a year or so ago he was having breathing problems. He thought= =3e it was just an infection and went to the doctor. Doctor tested - =3e could not determine problem. Said lungs were getting webbing - had =3e never seen anything like it. Bert felt a little better with =3e antibiotics and continued working. It got worse - in the meantime he =3e got REALLY MEAN (one of the symptoms of this type of poisoning) and =3e wife divorces him. Enter math tutoring sessions with divorced =3e friend. She pursues the question of his illness and contacts the =3e Poison Center in Georgia. Sure enough they find out he has cobalt =3e poisoning and his lungs are slowly becoming one big cell incapable of =3e providing enough oxygen to keep him alive. =3e =3e =22Last week his doctor said there is no hope for recovery and even =3e with a lung transplant his prognosis is not good - terminal.=22 =3e =3e If you have information or ideas, please pass them along to me = privately. =3e If there's interest, I can post a summary. =3e =3e Thanking you all in advance, =3e Debbie =3e =3e Debbie Decker =3e EH=26S UCDavis =3e (530)754-7964 =3e dmdecker=40ucdavis.edu =3e =3e ------------------------------ =3e =3e Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:50:42 +1000 =3e From: Barry Searle =3cB.Searle=40UNSW.EDU.AU=3e =3e Subject: Re: Cobalt Poisoning =3e =3e Deb, =3e =3e It is really sad news. It is quite amazing that some companies can = subject =3e workers (who may have no knowledge of health aspects and are never told= = by =3e management) to potential fatal health problems for the sake of the =3e =24=24=24=24=24=24=24=24=24=24=24=24=24=24=24=24=24=24=24=24=24 =3e =3e My view only =3e =3e Barry =3e EM UNIT =3e UNSW =3e =3e -----Original Message----- =3e From: Debbie Decker =3cdmdecker=40UCDAVIS.EDU=3e =3e To: LABSAFETY-L=40SIU.EDU =3cLABSAFETY-L=40SIU.EDU=3e =3e Date: Wednesday, 2 September 1998 9:09 =3e Subject: Cobalt Poisoning =3e =3e =3eI'm posting this on behalf of a friend, in hopes that someone out = = there =3e =3emight have some thoughts or ideas. =3e =3e =3e =3e=22He is 26 and has been working in a saw sharpening shop - sharpeni= ng =3e =3ecarbide saws. There was no way to contain the dust. The shop has =3e =3esince been cited by CalOSHA. =3e =3e =3e =3e=22About a year or so ago he was having breathing problems. He thou= ght =3e =3eit was just an infection and went to the doctor. Doctor tested - =3e =3ecould not determine problem. Said lungs were getting webbing - had =3e =3enever seen anything like it. Bert felt a little better with =3e =3eantibiotics and continued working. It got worse - in the meantime h= e =3e =3egot REALLY MEAN (one of the symptoms of this type of poisoning) and =3e =3ewife divorces him. Enter math tutoring sessions with divorced =3e =3efriend. She pursues the question of his illness and contacts the =3e =3ePoison Center in Georgia. Sure enough they find out he has cobalt =3e =3epoisoning and his lungs are slowly becoming one big cell incapable o= f =3e =3eproviding enough oxygen to keep him alive. =3e =3e =3e =3e=22Last week his doctor said there is no hope for recovery and even= =3e =3ewith a lung transplant his prognosis is not good - terminal.=22 =3e =3e =3e =3eIf you have information or ideas, please pass them along to me = privately. =3e =3eIf there's interest, I can post a summary. =3e =3e =3e =3eThanking you all in advance, =3e =3eDebbie =3e =3e =3e =3e =3e =3eDebbie Decker =3e =3eEH=26S UCDavis =3e =3e(530)754-7964 =3e =3edmdecker=40ucdavis.edu =3e =3e =3e =3e ------------------------------ =3e =3e Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 22:24:21 -0300 =3e From: Damaris Silveira Duarte =3cdamar=40WKVE.COM.BR=3e =3e Subject: berilium =3e =3e Dear colleagues, =3e =3e We have two oven from a former research project that had been used to = = dry =3e berilium carbonate. As we need buy ovens to dry plants, I was thinking= =3e about use them. So, my questions are: =3e a) Can they be cleaned using some acid solution (e.g. vinagger) and = = so, =3e lots of water? =3e b) As the plants to be dried are medicinal plants, after cleaned (if it= = is =3e possible) can we use them safely? =3e =3e D=e2maris Silveira Duarte =3e Centro de Ci=eancias Exatas e Tecnol=f3gicas -CECET =3e Universidade Vale do Rio Doce - UNIVALE =3e rua Moreira Sales, 850, Vila Bretas =3e Governador Valadares -Minas Gerais - Brasil =3e CEP 35032-130 =3e Tel: 55 033 2213090 ext.313 =3e Fax: 55 033 2213185 =3e e-mail: damaris=40mail.univale.br =3e damar=40wkve.com.br =3e lychnos=40dedalus.lcc.ufmg.br =3e =3e ------------------------------ =3e =3e End of LABSAFETY-L Digest - 31 Aug 1998 to 1 Sep 1998 =3e =2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a= =2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a=2a= =2a=2a=2a=2a ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:09:06 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Jeff Rubin Subject: EHS class In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Greetings, My EHS class is up to 11, which is more than twice what I expected. Here's your chance to demonstrate your creativity. A significant part (30%) of each student's grade will be a project relating to Lab safety, although I'll accept a broad range of topics. Project includes a paper and verbal presentation to the class. Any project suggestions out there? I'm not going to assign any topics, but thought having a few might be handy. I have a few possibilities: how Y2K will affect safety; PPE/chemical compatibility; behavioral aspects of safety; current biosafety issues; waste management issues; chemical substitution. I welcome your suggestions; if you respond to me off-line I'll post a compendium of ideas on the list (with your name if you so desire). By the way, thanks to all (25-30) who expressed interest in the class - I did not expect anywhere near that type of response. Thanks, JNR Jeff Rubin, Asst. Dean for EHS College of Natural Sciences G2500 W.C. Hogg Building University of Texas at Austin Austin, TX 78712-1199 (512) 471-6176 (O) (512) 471-4998 (F) jrubin@mail.utexas.edu "The opinions of Dr. Rubin do not necessarily represent those of the Canadian government, with whom he has no affiliation." ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 07:22:38 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Branson Lawrence Subject: unsubscribe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" unsubsribe Branson D. Lawrence, Jr Illinois Math and Science Academy 1500 W. Sullivan Rd. Aurora, IL 60506-1000 branson@imsa.edu http://www.imsa.edu/~branson ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:51:33 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Naomi Kelly Subject: SHIPPING OF RESEARCH SAMPLES CONTAINING HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Advice needed: 0.5ml of a 50:50 mixture of hexane and methyl-tert Butyl Ether; these are sealed in glass vials (100-150) with a silicone septum by a cripper and ready for GC analysis. This question has been posed to me by one of the Agronomy Dept. researchers. Apparently, they have been shipping these by air for some time to other universities which are part of a cooperative research project. They have had no problems until the last shipment. When it was received, the researcher who received the shipment noted a strong hexane odor, and upon opening the package found that some of the vials appeared to have exploded while others seemed to have imploded. Pressurization problems on the plane? Obviously, this was a lot of work lost and, they are quite concerned about having this occur again. The material was packed in "blue" ice, but they had nothing on the package to indicate a flammability hazard. The researcher asked me what I thought about filing a claim against the shipper. I, of course, advised against this since they did not have the package properly labeled as to the hazard. When checking with the Hazardous Materials Support Center for the shipper about appropriate packaging, they suggested contacting the manufacturer. Well, since we are the "manufacturer", that does not help. Does anyone have experience or a suggestion about proper packaging and labeling of this material so that we can avoid losing valuable research and avoiding liability issues for not having listed the hazards? Are there exemptions for quantities, etc. as far as labeling? All responses welcome! Naomi Kelly Environmental Health and Safety nkelly@clemson.edu (864) 656 - 7554 Fax: (864) 656 - 7630 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:04:40 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Bob Burns Subject: Re: SHIPPING OF RESEARCH SAMPLES CONTAINING HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My understanding is that shipments must meet the requirments of Haz. Com. even if it is R&D material. I guess I think you should not be doing what you are doing! Sorry! "Everything is easy for the person who does not have to do it!" Robert L. Burns Group Leader, R&D RUETGERS Organics Corporation 201 Struble Road State College, PA 16801 phone 814-231-9214 fax 814-238-1567 email rburns@bigfoot.com -----Original Message----- From: Naomi Kelly To: LABSAFETY-L@siu.edu Date: Thursday, September 03, 1998 09:54 Subject: SHIPPING OF RESEARCH SAMPLES CONTAINING HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS >Advice needed: >0.5ml of a 50:50 mixture of hexane and methyl-tert Butyl Ether; these are >sealed in glass vials (100-150) with a silicone septum by a cripper and >ready for GC analysis. This question has been posed to me by one of the >Agronomy Dept. researchers. Apparently, they have been shipping these by >air for some time to other universities which are part of a cooperative >research project. They have had no problems until the last shipment. When >it was received, the researcher who received the shipment noted a strong >hexane odor, and upon opening the package found that some of the vials >appeared to have exploded while others seemed to have imploded. >Pressurization problems on the plane? Obviously, this was a lot of work >lost and, they are quite concerned about having this occur again. The >material was packed in "blue" ice, but they had nothing on the package to >indicate a flammability hazard. The researcher asked me what I thought >about filing a claim against the shipper. I, of course, advised against >this since they did not have the package properly labeled as to the hazard. > >When checking with the Hazardous Materials Support Center for the shipper >about appropriate packaging, they suggested contacting the manufacturer. >Well, since we are the "manufacturer", that does not help. Does anyone have >experience or a suggestion about proper packaging and labeling of this >material so that we can avoid losing valuable research and avoiding >liability issues for not having listed the hazards? Are there exemptions >for quantities, etc. as far as labeling? > >All responses welcome! >Naomi Kelly >Environmental Health and Safety >nkelly@clemson.edu >(864) 656 - 7554 >Fax: (864) 656 - 7630 > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:31:42 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Madelyn Miller Subject: Re: SHIPPING OF RESEARCH SAMPLES CONTAINING HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980903095133.00739eec@mail.clemson.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Greetings, According to DOT HM 181 You can ship up to 5 Liters of Hexane by air. You must ensure that the packaging meets their "performance packaging" requirements. Anyone who sells these packages can give you some guidance for your samples. I know the ampoules should have been in a metal can with a slip top. See table 172.101 for shipping info. Hope this helps. Madelyn On Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:51:33 -0400 Naomi Kelly wrote: > Advice needed: > 0.5ml of a 50:50 mixture of hexane and methyl-tert Butyl Ether; these are > ---------------------- Madelyn Miller Chemical Safety Specialist,CCHO Environmental Health & Safety Carnegie Mellon University mmiller@andrew.cmu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:36:15 -0400 Reply-To: "Dr. Henry" Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Henry Boyter Jr." Subject: Re: SHIPPING OF RESEARCH SAMPLES CONTAINING HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 49CFR273.4 covers shipments such as lab samples. You may not be meeting the standard. The flammability is going to be a problem and you should not use blue ice. It doesn't hold up well during shipment. You may have to go to a dry ice system. You can call Fed-Ex to get more information on such shipping, just say you are "thinking about it". Dr. Henry Boyter, Jr. Ph.D. Chemist The opinions of Dr. Boyter are provided for informational purposes only and should not be used as advice. No warranty or expression of professionalism is implied. *************** -----Original Message----- From: Bob Burns To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU Date: Thursday, September 03, 1998 10:21 AM Subject: Re: SHIPPING OF RESEARCH SAMPLES CONTAINING HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS My understanding is that shipments must meet the requirments of Haz. Com. even if it is R&D material. I guess I think you should not be doing what you are doing! Sorry! "Everything is easy for the person who does not have to do it!" Robert L. Burns Group Leader, R&D RUETGERS Organics Corporation 201 Struble Road State College, PA 16801 phone 814-231-9214 fax 814-238-1567 email rburns@bigfoot.com -----Original Message----- From: Naomi Kelly To: LABSAFETY-L@siu.edu Date: Thursday, September 03, 1998 09:54 Subject: SHIPPING OF RESEARCH SAMPLES CONTAINING HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS >Advice needed: >0.5ml of a 50:50 mixture of hexane and methyl-tert Butyl Ether; these are >sealed in glass vials (100-150) with a silicone septum by a cripper and >ready for GC analysis. This question has been posed to me by one of the >Agronomy Dept. researchers. Apparently, they have been shipping these by >air for some time to other universities which are part of a cooperative >research project. They have had no problems until the last shipment. When >it was received, the researcher who received the shipment noted a strong >hexane odor, and upon opening the package found that some of the vials >appeared to have exploded while others seemed to have imploded. >Pressurization problems on the plane? Obviously, this was a lot of work >lost and, they are quite concerned about having this occur again. The >material was packed in "blue" ice, but they had nothing on the package to >indicate a flammability hazard. The researcher asked me what I thought >about filing a claim against the shipper. I, of course, advised against >this since they did not have the package properly labeled as to the hazard. > >When checking with the Hazardous Materials Support Center for the shipper >about appropriate packaging, they suggested contacting the manufacturer. >Well, since we are the "manufacturer", that does not help. Does anyone have >experience or a suggestion about proper packaging and labeling of this >material so that we can avoid losing valuable research and avoiding >liability issues for not having listed the hazards? Are there exemptions >for quantities, etc. as far as labeling? > >All responses welcome! >Naomi Kelly >Environmental Health and Safety >nkelly@clemson.edu >(864) 656 - 7554 >Fax: (864) 656 - 7630 > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:34:39 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Teresa Robertson Organization: CSU Bakersfield Subject: Re: SHIPPING OF RESEARCH SAMPLES CONTAINING HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Books, similar to telephone books, containing guidelines and requirements for shipping haz mats are available from United Parcel Service, Federal Express, and probably many others. These shippers also have haz mat specialists availble for consultation via their toll-free long distance numbers. The IATA book is availble in safety supply catalogs. For a former employer, I many times shipped materials via air from California to Texas. My employer required us to ship via the IATA regulations (international) which are more strict than DOT. I believe a few years ago Federal Express adopted the IATA standards as a requirement also. I was told by our local FedEx haz mat specialist that the regulations change so rapidly, even if he ok'd a package for shipment out, it could be rejected elsewhere along its route and returned. Also, we once had an employee improperly package and ship a sample. We then found that heavy fines could be levied against the employee as well as the employer. You also must ship with paperwork much more elaborate than for non-hazardous shipments. UPS, FedEx, etc. will provide you with blank copies of their forms, and if you ever use a shipper who does not have forms they can provide for you, some stationary stores carry generic versions. I had a colleague in Houston who received a lot of training in this area; someone else out there may know where such training is available; possibly through UPS, FedEx, etc. Teresa Robertson CSUB ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:09:35 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Paula Ortiz Subject: Vocational Students Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi All! I was recently approached by our Director of the Medical Laboratory Program here at Washington State Community College. It seems that the local vocational school will be bringing health science students to our campus every Monday for a couple of hours to spend time in our Medical Laboratory doing experiments using bodily fluids such as urine and blood. We have a strict policy for our higher ed students who are not minors. The question posed to me was concerning the fact that these students are under the age of 18. Do any of you have similar programs or do you know of any regulations concerning minor students from another school on a college campus experimenting in the laboratory with bodily fluids? Does this situation require parental permission? Our campus is located in Ohio...so I don't know if there are any state regulations concerning this either. Any information is very much appreciated! Thanks! Paula Ortiz Science Laboratory Tech Washington State Community College 710 Colegate Dr. Marietta, OH 45750 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:04:56 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Teresa Robertson Organization: CSU Bakersfield Subject: Re: Vocational Students MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU,.internet writes: >Hi All! > Does this >situation require parental permission? If my son's class is planning a walking trip to the park next door (they don't cross a street) for a picnic, I have to sign a parental permission form. I would expect not only would you want to make sure there is permission granted, but the other facility should also. I think this however will be the most minor of your concerns. TRR ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:09:23 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Janeen LaPierre Subject: Vocational Students -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain >>>>>>>>>> Hi All! I was recently approached by our Director of the Medical Laboratory Program here at Washington State Community College. It seems that the local vocational school will be bringing health science students to our campus every Monday for a couple of hours to spend time in our Medical Laboratory doing experiments using bodily fluids such as urine and blood. We have a strict policy for our higher ed students who are not minors. The question posed to me was concerning the fact that these students are under the age of 18. Do any of you have similar programs or do you know of any regulations concerning minor students from another school on a college campus experimenting in the laboratory with bodily fluids? Does this situation require parental permission? Our campus is located in Ohio...so I don't know if there are any state regulations concerning this either. Any information is very much appreciated! Thanks! Paula Ortiz Science Laboratory Tech Washington State Community College 710 Colegate Dr. Marietta, OH 45750 <<<<<<<<<< If it were my child, I would want to know what the specifics were before I gave my approval. I can see no educational value in allowing high school students to work with blood and other bodily fluids at this point in their education. There are too many infectious agents they could contract do to sloppy technique. Lets face it, even the best high school student hasn't had the experience to develop good lab techniques yet. If it were my college lab, I would not allow high school students access to this type of material. For that matter, most of the college students don't have access to human blood or human blood products. There are lots of simulated kits out there that demonstrate the techniques without exposing students to the hazards. For what its worth, Janeen. Janeen Lapierre, CHO-COM UNIVERSITY OF NEW ENGLAND 11 HILLS BEACH ROAD BIDDEFORD, ME 04005 207-283-0170 X2446 JLaPierre@MAILBOX.UNE.EDU Opinions expressed are not those of the university. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:20:34 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Neal Langerman Subject: COMMERCIAL: Training Comments: To: SAFETY@LIST.UVM.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Come to San Diego -- November 12 OSHA HAZWOPER Annual Refresher November 16 Clean-up of Small Spills in Labs and Production Areas Management of a Victim of Chemical Contamination Come to San Francisco November 10 OSHA HAZWOPER Annual Refresher November 9 Clean-up of Small Spills in Labs and Production Areas Management of a Victim of Chemical Contamination Also, I am putting together a very specialized DOT training and certification program which will address only flammables (class 3), toxics (class 6) and corrosives (class 8). It is scheduled on October 19. It will last between 4 and 6 hours. Contact me privately for more information and pricing. Neal ************************************************************* NEAL LANGERMAN chemsaf@ix.netcom.com ADVANCED CHEMICAL SAFETY 8909 Complex Drive San Diego CA 92123-1418 619 874 5577 (phone) 619 874 8239 (FAX) 619 990 4908 (cellular) visit our homepage: http://www.chemical-safety.com ************************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:03:53 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Jim Mudd Subject: Re: SHIPPING OF RESEARCH SAMPLES CONTAINING HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Air transportation of Dangerous Goods - refer to 49 CFR 171.11, "Use of ICAO Technical Instructions", which states : "Notwithstanding the requirements of parts 172 and 173 of this subchapter, a hazardous material may be transported by aircraft, and by motor vehicle either before or after being transported by aircraft, in accordance with the ICAO Technical Instructions...." ICAO means International Civil Aviation Organization. U.S. air carriers follow the IATA [International Air Transport Association] guidelines of the ICAO regulations. Copies of the IATA and ICAO can be obtained from various safety/Haz Material supply vendors. Also contact the hazmat hotline for the specific air carrier you use for assistance. Note, DOT regulations do not apply to shippments sent through the US Postal Service. Also, some air carriers may, and often do, impose greater limitations regarding what materials may be sent by air. Good luck Jim Washington DC ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:46:18 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Lenny Solomon Organization: Harvard University Subject: Re: SHIPPING OF RESEARCH SAMPLES CONTAINING HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I just thought I'd comment on the statement below, "DOT regulations do not apply to shippments sent through the US Postal Service." I believe that this statement is in error. It is my understanding that CFR 49 applies to all shipments including those sent via the US Post Office. If the amount of hazardous material is above what is defined as "limited quantity", it must be properly labeled, marked, and packed with an accompanying Declaration of Hazardous Material form. Lenny Solomon Harvard University Date sent: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:03:53 EDT Send reply to: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Jim Mudd Subject: Re: SHIPPING OF RESEARCH SAMPLES CONTAINING HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU > Air transportation of Dangerous Goods - refer to 49 CFR 171.11, "Use of ICAO > Technical Instructions", which states : "Notwithstanding the requirements of > parts 172 and 173 of this subchapter, a hazardous material may be transported > by aircraft, and by motor vehicle either before or after being transported by > aircraft, in accordance with the ICAO Technical Instructions...." ICAO > means International Civil Aviation Organization. U.S. air carriers follow the > IATA [International Air Transport Association] guidelines of the ICAO > regulations. Copies of the IATA and ICAO can be obtained from various > safety/Haz Material supply vendors. Also contact the hazmat hotline for the > specific air carrier you use for assistance. Note, DOT regulations do not > apply to shippments sent through the US Postal Service. Also, some air > carriers may, and often do, impose greater limitations regarding what > materials may be sent by air. > > Good luck > > Jim > Washington DC ***************************** Lenny Solomon Harvard University Atmospheric Research Project 12 Oxford Street Cambridge, MA 02138 617-495-4215 (Voice) 617-495-4902 (Fax) solomon@huarp.harvard.edu http://www-arp.harvard.edu/~solomon/index.html ******************************* > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:48:35 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Michael Ahler Subject: A Lab Fire Experience MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; name="A" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have received (been copied) a good description of a recent lab fire at= CSU Los Angeles. This description is not so much about how how the fire was nor how high the flames went. I think this story is useful mostly from the point of view how much trouble, time, and money spent can result from a fire that directly affected only two rooms. This story also points up my own prejudices against multi-story science buildings, but that's a separate sermon. I think it's important to note: =20 =2D- how long the whole building was "off-line" as a result of this =20 incident, =2D- how much money was apparently spent in disposing of chemical = =20 materials ruined by the fire and attendant water damage, =2D- how much time and money can be spent on asbestos issues in a = =20 formerly healthy building, =2D- the beneficial effect of proper chemical storage ( liquid chemicals= =20 in glass bottles that survived) and the beneficial effect of Fire = =20 Doors. I have included this information as text in the body of this message, rather than an attachment. I know attachments are problematical for some, so please excuse the long e-mail. =20 I hope you find this useful. =20 Hey Folks! The SoCal EHS Mutual Aid can stand down, the Phys. Sci. building is secured and stabilized as of this afternoon. Brady extends his apology to all, for not returning calls. BUT he was happy to know the assistance was available if required. As many of you are aware the fire started on the 7th floor in two adjacent organic labs. No one was injured. =20 Fire damage in two rooms, smoke damage on the two floors, and water damage all the way to the basement. 95 firefighters responded and contained the= spread quickly. ECI was there on scene Sunday by 10pm to start clean-up, and has been working the last couple of days. Building will probably be turned to campus by county health tomorrow, and asbestos monitoring will commence. They are going to try and open- basement through 6th for the Fall Qtr., but 7th= and 8th will remain closed. This is ONLY a synopsis, Brady will provide a more detailed report as soon as the alligators are hog tied. He will get copies of stills and video to share with us, which I think would be a great help to us all. Call if I missed something. If not, once again an impressive display of 'HAZCON 3', Tony X. To my Fellow EHS Directors, I would like to thank Tony for getting this synopsis out to you and I do= apologize for not being more responsive to those calling with the offer of assistance. Everything is under control and moving along systematically towards some degree of normalcy. Some details which will= add to what Tony has conveyed to you already. The fire occurred at 7:00 PM <8/9/98, a Sunday> and the fire and haz mat= personnel from the County were on the scene immediately. The fire was contained to the two= laboratories on the West end of the 7th Floor of our Physical Sciences Building. Two adjacent offices received residual fire damage. The rooms above the fire zone on the 8th Floor received extensive heat damage. The rooms directly below the fire zone received extensive water= damage. Smoke and soot damage is on the 7th and partially on the 8th Floors. Residual water damage is on the 1st through 6th Floors. The building has been closed down since the fire and will remain so for some= time. The University had taken over control from the County Fire and Haz Mat group at approx. 11:00 PM Sunday evening and our contractor ECI who was on scene began immediately to stabilize the remaining chemistry not engulfed by the fire. These labs destroyed were organic research labs. The main problem we faced were the powdered water reactives which= continued to remain unstable until early Monday AM. ECI was done with the chemical removal yesterday. Ended up with 30 drums of lab packs, a roll-off of suspect contaminated debris awaiting analytical. Suprisingly there was approx. 50 gallons total of salvageable chemicals removed from the burn zone, of which about 20 consisted of glass gallon bottles of flammable liquids. The fire doors and the concrete floors contained the fire to the two rooms. ECI performed wipe samples for metals, specifically Hg which was present= in small quantities. Awaiting those results. Rad assessment being performed on 5th and Basement levels. Asbestos air monitoring will commence today through Friday with TEM analysis being performed in the fire zone and direct reads on-site for the water damaged areas. There is sprayed on fire-proofing above all drop ceiling panels. Structural engineers have toured the fire zone and Facilities will give EHS recommendations what areas they require asbestos abatement to occur in. Otherwise encapsulation of undamaged ACM will occur. Asbestos abatement= of the fume hoods, walls, fire doors damaged, and damaged fire-proofing will occur probably starting Monday. All of this will happen primarily on the 6th, 7th and 8th Floors. CSULA's goal is to have the 1st through 6th Floors ready for Fall Quarter, if possible. The 7th and 8th Floors will be isolated and take much longer to bring back on-line. The County Health Dept. should be out today to observe the clean-up progress. Without inferring any cause= for the fire, there were research experiments being performed in this lab 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, unattended. I am sure that I'm forgetting something but have to run off to a meeting= now. Will continue to keep you all appraised on the status as I am able= to. Regards...Kevin =20 Dear Fellow EHS Directors/Professionals, I am having to resort to this approach to get an update out to you since= my e-mail will not allow me to write a note any longer than 1 to 2 minutes. Several attempts have left me with incomplete messages, so this attached file should do the job. Most of you by now have heard of the fire, which occurred in our Physical Sciences Building on August 9, 1998 at 7:00 PM. While the cause remains undetermined, there are two (2) leading candidates, which are: the HVAC was not operational creating an environment where chemicals spontaneously ignited; and an unattended organic chemistry research experiment went bad causing a chemical reaction and subsequent fire. I tend to subscribe to the latter explanation, but the Fire Department report has very simply stated that the origin of the fire was= a "laboratory", form of heat was "spontaneous ignition, chemical reaction", and ignition factor was "improper storage". The latter statement was hard for me to understand as the fire zone left no signs that hazardous materials were stored improperly due to everything being consumed by the fire. That's probably why there are the experts. On the building status, shortly after the fire Public Safety re-keyed the building and only 5 keys were made. They reside within Public Safety, EHS and one to our clean-up contractor. This has allowed for very secure access allowing the environmental restoration activities to occur without delay. Both Public Safety & EHS granted limited access to= faculty and staff personnel to remove essential instructional items, assess damage to equipment, and secure any experiments after performing environmental monitoring for metals (Pb, Cd, Cr, Zn), mercury, asbestos,= radiation, organics, and moisture. All measurements were either non-detectable or far below any established regulated levels from an exposure viewpoint. The moisture survey was to ascertain the extent of water intrusion and allow for a plan of attack to prevent mold and mildew growth before it takes hold. Throughout the environmental activities, EHS has been able to stay with only two (2) contractors, Ecology Control Ind. (ECI) performs all chemical stabilization, asbestos, lead, and mold treatment, and EOS Environmental for all air and bulk monitoring activities. The main focus of all our efforts have been to complete the tasks in the most time efficient means possible. =20 Our ultimate goal is to have Floors 6 through to the Sub-Basement occupied by the beginning of the Fall Quarter. The 7th and 8th Floors have much lengthier schedules due to the additional work required on those floors. The scope of work for ECI is as follows: Floors 6 Through Sub-Basement 1. Chemical packaging of all hazardous substances which would hinder abatement or other contractor's efforts. 2. Pre-cleaning of all fallen debris, and cleaning of residual water staining in all rooms. 3. Asbestos abatement of ceiling tiles and encapsulation of ACM coated structural beams. Includes HEPA vac of all horizontal surfaces above drop ceiling tile. (a). Note full abatement of all ceiling tiles on the 5th and 6th Floors, and limited to only damaged tiles on the 4th Floor down. No beam encapsulation below the 5th Floor. 4. After Facility's vendor completes replacement of ceiling tile and general cleaning by Facilities is done (if required) then ECI will place= the chemicals back in the individual rooms. 5. EOS's scope of work is to support all ECI activities with air monitoring and clearance of floors before re-entry by Facility's vendors. =20 ECI has two 10-hour shifts, 7 days a week operating now. These are 10 person crews. With additional personnel performing the mold treatment and chemical packaging. On the mold treatment, from the 7th Floor down to the Sub-Basement, all floor boards will be removed and 2-inch holes drilled at specified intervals for the application of a biocide (Cidexplus) to be sprayed behind the wall. There will only be one application as we do not want a measurable residual going into the Fall Quarter. It is tight but our goal is to be complete by Sept. 21st. The EHS activities are running ahead of schedule, but the Facilities actions aren't as clear. They say they can support, but the true test will be when we leave a vacant floor and how long until their work begins. At this time, the 6th Floor is done and cleared. The 5th Floor starts abatement tonight (9/2/98) and should be done by Monday, 9/7/98. From there on each floor (4 to the sub-basement) will take 2 to 3 days each from our end. We hope to better that time as each floor is easier going= down. As far as the cost is concerned, if you are interested give me a call, as I have a hard time writing those figures down, that's when reality sets in. I have mentioned a lot, and surely have missed some things. If you have= any questions call me and I'll be as open as I can be at this time with the information. Take care=85Kevin =20 =2E..all this from only two rooms burned up. I think I'll re-visit our= fire safety policy and Unattended Experiment protocol. Thanks. Michael Ahler, CHO Risk Management Cal Poly San Luis Obispo, California ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:06:57 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Jim Mudd Subject: Re: SHIPPING OF RESEARCH SAMPLES CONTAINING HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit DOT Dangerous Goods regulations under 49 CFR only applys to "commercial" transportation. HM regulations for the US Postal Service are found in the Postal Service's Domestic Mail Manual - I believe the correct volume is DM54. Also, quantities of dangerous goods which meet the definition of limited quantity are not exempt from the requirement for marking, labeling and manifesting. The limited quantity exemption only permits the shipper to use non-UN approved packaging. Jim Mudd FBI Laboratory Washington DC ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:25:30 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Alan Warren(RD)" Subject: Re: SHIPPING OF RESEARCH SAMPLES CONTAINING HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS As a general practice, do not send anything hazardous by the U.S. Postal Service. As Jim says, check the Domestic Mail Manual. The USPS is pretty clear about what is not permitted in the mail. For hazmat, use a courier for small packages (United Parcel Service, FedEx), and for larger quantities, a common carrier (i.e. truck). In these cases, the DOT regulations apply. UPS has a dangerous materials manual. Shipping by air versus ground is often more stringent. Airlines are very reluctant to handle hazmats, so it is necessary to be sure the packages are properly labeled and packaged (i.e. U.N. spec packages, if required). Anyone who ships (the "Shipper") hazmats must be trained in accordance with HM126. >---------- >From: Jim Mudd[SMTP:Vajlm@AOL.COM] >Sent: Thursday, September 03, 1998 10:06 PM >To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU >Subject: Re: SHIPPING OF RESEARCH SAMPLES CONTAINING HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS > >DOT Dangerous Goods regulations under 49 CFR only applys to "commercial" >transportation. HM regulations for the US Postal Service are found in the >Postal Service's Domestic Mail Manual - I believe the correct volume is DM54. >Also, quantities of dangerous goods which meet the definition of limited >quantity are not exempt from the requirement for marking, labeling and >manifesting. The limited quantity exemption only permits the shipper to use >non-UN approved packaging. > > >Jim Mudd >FBI Laboratory >Washington DC > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:52:00 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Barbara J. Weaver" Subject: PPB & PPM I need to explain parts per billion and parts per million to a group of average community adults and children. The program is timed so I do not have much time for an exercise - words will have to do. Does anyone have any entertaining examples of what ppb and ppm really mean? The only ones that I have for ppm so far : one teaspoon in a 5000 gallon tank truck, & the classic swimming pool examples. I have none for ppb. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:12:40 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Julie O'Brien Subject: Manganese recycle Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does anyone know of a company that purchases manganese for recycle/resale? We have about 24 kg that we would hate to have to dispose of as waste since it's still pure. Julie O'Brien Chemist PCR, Inc. PO Box 1466 Gainesville, FL 32602 352-376-8246 ext. 232 Education/Exhibits Committee Volunteer EXPO The Children's Museum of Gainesville PO Box 5951 Gainesville, FL 32627 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:20:26 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Julie O'Brien Subject: Mercury perchlorate Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am in the process of finding a waste handler to dispose of mercury perchlorate. The waste handlers we work with have requested a copy of the MSDS. The mercury perchorate is older than the Right-to-Know Act, so we have no MSDS on file for it. I am already aware of the explosion hazard associated with perchlorates. I have checked the common sources (Aldrich, J.T. Baker, some web sites) for an MSDS for this material but have been unsuccessful. I would check with the original manufacturer, but unfortunately the label indicates that my company is the original manufacturer. Any suggestions on how to get an MSDS for this material, other than generating our own? Julie O'Brien Chemist PCR, Inc. PO Box 1466 Gainesville, FL 32602 352-376-8246 ext. 232 Education/Exhibits Committee Volunteer EXPO The Children's Museum of Gainesville PO Box 5951 Gainesville, FL 32627 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:29:55 -0500 Reply-To: okeeffeb@advancia.com Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Barbara O'Keeffe Organization: Advancia Corporation Subject: Re: PPB & PPM Comments: To: "Barbara J. Weaver" In-Reply-To: <199809041301.IAA88018@saluki-mail.siu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I have a friend who routinely uses a large piece of screen mesh - - cut so that one of the holes is 1 ppm of all of the holes in the screen. Works very well in giving a feeling for just how small a unit ppm is. However, it is a pretty big piece of screening to carry around - - ppb size would really be hard to handle. Barb > I need to explain parts per billion and parts per million to a group of > average community adults and children. The program is timed so I do not > have much time for an exercise - words will have to do. Does anyone have > any entertaining examples of what ppb and ppm really mean? > > The only ones that I have for ppm so far : one teaspoon in a 5000 gallon > tank truck, & the classic swimming pool examples. > > I have none for ppb. Barbara O'Keeffe Advancia Corporation, 211 SW "A" Ave., Lawton, OK 73501 voice: 580-355-1471 fax: 580-357-9360 e-mail: okeeffeb@advancia.com http://www.advancia.com ***bits of wisdom, trivia & misplaced comments* ***are mine - - no one else wants them* ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:01:24 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Dewey Williams Subject: Re: Mercury perchlorate In-Reply-To: <199809041320.JAA26096@freenet5.afn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:20 AM 9/4/98 -0400, you wrote: >I am in the process of finding a waste handler to dispose of mercury >perchlorate. The waste handlers we work with have requested a copy of >the MSDS. My suggestion, call the local bomb squad. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:17:34 -0500 Reply-To: pdepra@foma.wsc.mass.edu Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Patricia DePra Organization: Westfield State College Subject: Re: EHS class MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How about risk factors vs. # of students in a lab? general vs. organic vs. analytical, as well? ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:37:04 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Debbie Decker Subject: Re: Mercury perchlorate In-Reply-To: <199809041359.IAA137602@saluki-mail.siu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:01 AM 9/4/98 -0400, you wrote: >At 09:20 AM 9/4/98 -0400, you wrote: >>I am in the process of finding a waste handler to dispose of mercury >>perchlorate. The waste handlers we work with have requested a copy of >the >MSDS. > >My suggestion, call the local bomb squad. > > Short of the bomb squad and the attendant publicity, you might want to call a company like ETSC (708-980-3872) who have experience in disposal of unstable and explosive materials. I used them to dispose of some very scary cylinders that no one else would touch - I didn't even want to touch 'em! Not cheap but extremely professional. My opinions only. Deb. Debbie Decker EH&S UCDavis (530)754-7964 dmdecker@ucdavis.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:07:34 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Jeff Rubin Subject: Re: Mercury perchlorate In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980904083704.007c8da0@scarlet.ucdavis.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ditto on Deb's comments on qualified contractors vs. bomb squads. Every time you have a high-visibility public-safety response (e.g., bomb squad, hazmat alarm) on campus you reduce public trust in your institution and heighten suspicions against ALL users. There are a lot of mouth-breathers out there and, unfortunately, many are employed by the media. Diatribe aside, this once again demonstrates the importance of conducting planning with local public-safety agencies. Do you feel comfortable asking them for advice on such matters? Do you know who you'll be speaking with if you call for a consult? I think we've touched on this before on the list but some things bear repeating. JNR ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:27:03 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "David (Fuzz) Harrison" Subject: Re: PPB & PPM In-Reply-To: <199809041301.IAA88018@saluki-mail.siu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Barb: For ppm I use the population of the state of Maine (about one million) and ask the folks to imagine one person in the state wearing a red hat while all the rest are wearing white. It's not bad except for the spacial aspect. A city might work better (I think San Diego is just over a million?). The tank example is good, but the catch is to use something that folks are familiar with. I use the diesel tank we have on campus for emergency electrical power. By the way, I did the math one day and by my calculations one teaspoon equates to one ppm in a 1,302 gal tank (768 tsp/gal?). For ppb, you could use one drop in a 17,132 gallon tank (58,368 drops/gal). Know anything around the community that holds about 17K gals? Something else I thought of using was a volume of colored sand contrasted by a different color to show different concentrations, but have never used it. Good luck! At 08:52 AM 9/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >I need to explain parts per billion and parts per million to a group of >average community adults and children. The program is timed so I do not >have much time for an exercise - words will have to do. Does anyone >have any entertaining examples of what ppb and ppm really mean? > >The only ones that I have for ppm so far : one teaspoon in a 5000 gallon >tank truck, & the classic swimming pool examples. > >I have none for ppb. > Fuzz Harrison, Industrial Hygienist The Jackson Laboratory, 600 Main Street, Bar Harbor ME 04609-1500 (http://www.jax.org/) 207.288.6473 voice, 207.288.6147 fax, fdh@aretha.jax.org email ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:50:34 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: purfleece Subject: Re: PPB & PPM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While this won't help you on the short term, Flinn has a new item, a Becker Bottle that is filled with 1 million candy beads. There are different color beads in the bottle representing concentrations of 1 ppm (a single black bead), 10 ppm, etc. Great visual. Rich Bigelow AR High School and Purfleece Farms purflece@alltel.net ---------- > From: Barbara J. Weaver > To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU > Subject: PPB & PPM > Date: Friday, September 04, 1998 8:52 AM > > I need to explain parts per billion and parts per million to a group of > average community adults and children. The program is timed so I do not > have much time for an exercise - words will have to do. Does anyone > have any entertaining examples of what ppb and ppm really mean? > > The only ones that I have for ppm so far : one teaspoon in a 5000 gallon > tank truck, & the classic swimming pool examples. > > I have none for ppb. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 03:47:18 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Robert E. Brennan" Subject: Ethanol Combustion Demonstration MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I use a demo in class where I put a capful of ethanol in a plastic gallon= bottle, swirl the liquid around to coat the insides and let it evaporate,= dump out any excess, and drop in a match. The result is an impressive jet= of flame out the opening followed by my pouring out the water which was produced by the reaction. I heard recently that there had been some problems (explosions) with othe= rs doing this demo. Anybody have any facts on this? Bob Brennan ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 08:52:29 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Labsafe@AOL.COM Subject: Re: SHIPPING OF RESEARCH SAMPLES Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-09-03 13:44:22 EDT, you write: << someone else out there may know where such training is available; >> LSW can provide training in the area of shipment of hazardous materials. Would there be enough interest to offer such a course at New Safety '99 in January or perhaps sooner? ... jim ***************************************************** James A. Kaufman, President The Laboratory Safety Workshop 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 LabSafe@aol.com Safety in Science Education The Laboratory Safety Workshop is a national non-profit educational organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and important part of science education. Free copies of our Laboratory Safety Guidelines, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, seminar schedule, and membership information are available on request. The LABSAFETY-L discussion list is a public service of LSW. Visit our growing web site at www:LABSAFETY.ORG ********************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 08:52:38 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Labsafe@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Vocational Students Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-09-03 14:05:11 EDT, you write: << It seems that the local vocational school will be bringing health science students to our campus every Monday for a couple of hours to spend time in our Medical Laboratory doing experiments using bodily fluids such as urine and blood. >> JAK... If they are going to do this, I would recommend following all the provisions of the bloodborne pathogens standard, including offering vaccination. Parental consent is essential. ***************************************************** James A. Kaufman, President The Laboratory Safety Workshop 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 LabSafe@aol.com Safety in Science Education The Laboratory Safety Workshop is a national non-profit educational organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and important part of science education. Free copies of our Laboratory Safety Guidelines, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, seminar schedule, and membership information are available on request. The LABSAFETY-L discussion list is a public service of LSW. Visit our growing web site at www:LABSAFETY.ORG ********************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 09:44:40 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Neal Langerman Subject: Re: SHIPPING OF RESEARCH SAMPLES Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jim and list - I also regularly provide this training. I have a program scheduled in San Diego on Oct. 19. Neal At 08:52 AM 9/5/98 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-09-03 13:44:22 EDT, you write: > ><< someone else out there may know where such training is available; >> > >LSW can provide training in the area of shipment of hazardous materials. >Would there be enough interest to offer such a course at New Safety '99 >in January or perhaps sooner? ... jim > > ***************************************************** > James A. Kaufman, President > The Laboratory Safety Workshop > 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 > 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 LabSafe@aol.com > Safety in Science Education > >The Laboratory Safety Workshop is a national non-profit educational >organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and >important part of science education. Free copies of our Laboratory >Safety Guidelines, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, seminar >schedule, and membership information are available on request. > > The LABSAFETY-L discussion list is a public service of LSW. > Visit our growing web site at www:LABSAFETY.ORG > ********************************************************************** > > ************************************************************* NEAL LANGERMAN chemsaf@ix.netcom.com ADVANCED CHEMICAL SAFETY 8909 Complex Drive San Diego CA 92123-1418 619 874 5577 (phone) 619 874 8239 (FAX) 619 990 4908 (cellular) visit our homepage: http://www.chemical-safety.com ************************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 16:22:12 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Labsafe@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Ethanol Combustion Demonstration Comments: cc: pathamm@concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-09-05 03:48:16 EDT, you write: << I use a demo in class where I put a capful of ethanol in a plastic gallon bottle, swirl the liquid around to coat the insides and let it evaporate, dump out any excess, and drop in a match. The result is an impressive jet of flame out the opening followed by my pouring out the water which was produced by the reaction. I heard recently that there had been some problems (explosions) with others doing this demo. Anybody have any facts on this? >> JAK: Yes, there have been explosions. These have included the use of plastic bottles. If by chance (on a bad day) you end up with the stoichiometric mixture or air and alcohol (you can calc the amounts), you can have a detonation instead of the deflagration you have been observing. The difference could change you whole outlook on this demo! If you would like to continue to do it. Wrap the jug with clear, wide plastic tape. Put a shield between the demo and the students and the demo and yourself. Require the students to wear chemical splash safety goggles. And, a good alternative is to consider making a video of yourself doing the demo and show that to your students. ***************************************************** James A. Kaufman, President The Laboratory Safety Workshop 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 LabSafe@aol.com Safety in Science Education The Laboratory Safety Workshop is a national non-profit educational organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and important part of science education. Free copies of our Laboratory Safety Guidelines, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, seminar schedule, and membership information are available on request. The LABSAFETY-L discussion list is a public service of LSW. Visit our growing web site at www:LABSAFETY.ORG ********************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 21:54:20 -0700 Reply-To: Bill Deutschman Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Bill Deutschman Subject: Re: unsubscribe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Learn how to unsubscribe from the list without sending you message to the entire list. You received instruction when you subscribed to the list. bill P.S I just waded through 800 messages and I don't need to look at this type of message. Bill Deutschman Oregon Laser Consultants 455 Hillside Avenue Klamath Falls, OR 97601-2337 olcbill@cdsnet.net -----Original Message----- From: Branson Lawrence To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU Date: Thursday, September 03, 1998 5:14 AM Subject: unsubscribe >unsubsribe > > > >Branson D. Lawrence, Jr >Illinois Math and Science Academy >1500 W. Sullivan Rd. >Aurora, IL 60506-1000 >branson@imsa.edu >http://www.imsa.edu/~branson > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 22:03:54 -0700 Reply-To: Bill Deutschman Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Bill Deutschman MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Helen: Learn to send a subject with your messages. It helps us to eliminate useless messages. Bill Deutschman Oregon Laser Consultants 455 Hillside Avenue Klamath Falls, OR 97601-2337 olcbill@cdsnet.net -----Original Message----- From: Helen B. Gerhard To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 9:59 AM >1. Plan experiments to use materials that can be obtained at home (e.g. >Red Cabbage Juice, vinegar, baking soda works well for showing acid/base >concepts) >2. Send instructions on how to perform the experiment. This is not >unlike what is done with ACS's Wonder Science. In that case, the kids are >told NOT to do the experiments without parents being present. I think that >if the experimenter is a college student, parents don't need to be there. > >By taking this approach, chemicals are not being removed from the lab. The >concept is not any different from a person purchasing a chemistry set from a >store or obtaining a kid's experiment book (found at any local library). >The difference is that the instructor will require the lab write ups to be >turned in for grades. > >Thanks! > >Helen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Harry Elston [SMTP:helston@FGI.NET] > Sent: Thursday, August 27, 1998 9:54 AM > To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU > Subject: > > At 08:55 AM 8/27/98 -0400, you wrote: > > > One of our instructors has designed a distance learning >biology lab > >which involves sending chemicals home with students so they can do >the > >necessary experiments there. There is also talk of doing some >chemistry > >labs via distance learning and sending chemicals home with the >students. > >The whole idea of sending college-owned chemicals out of the >controlled > >environment of our labs and into the chaos of students' homes >disturbs me. > >Besides the obvious hazards to the students and their families and > >consequent liability problems, I see problems involving transport >of the > >chemicals and disposal of them after the experiment is completed. I >brought > >these concerns up to the administration and was, of course, given >the job > >of formulating policy guidelines. Any suggestions? > > Pardon any cross-posting, but I need all the help I can get. > > Ahh. yes, Mott Community College....Brings back a lot of memories :) >(I > lived near Flint for the first 22 years of my life!) > > But, to your question, Jerry. My first, knee-jerk reaction is "not >only > no, but hell no." Even if the chemicals are "house hold" chemicals >(such as > bleach or baking soda), become regulated under OSHA and EPA once >they are > brought into the laboratory. Taking things "out of the lab" would >also > mean, in my opinion they are being transported thus bringing in >other > regulatory nightmares such as transportation of hazardous materials. >Now, > I know that students aren't covered by OSHA, but there's that >"prudent > practice" idea which boils down to the idea that it's the college's > responsibility to keep students safe! > > First opinion, without knowing all the details, is that this is a >WAY BAD > IDEA, and I would be very heistant in letting this occur. >Personally, my > policy guideline right now would be, "find something else to do >which > didn't involve chemicals." > > Harry Elston > > Harry J. Elston, Ph.D., NRCC-CHO > Chemical Hygiene Officer > Illinois Department of Nuclear Safety > Opinions are mine, not my employer's, blah, blah, blah > > "God made all those stars out of nothin'. He just > 'pfffft' and there they were." > -Larry the Cucumber, Veggie Tales > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 10:03:27 -0600 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Helen B. Gerhard" Subject: JAK's HAZMAT SHIPPING CLASS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I would be very interested in such a class. Would like to see several things addressed: 1) The rest of the world does not use the NA designations that the DOT uses. Rather, they only use the UN hazard numbers only. As a result, a material that has a DOT NA number associated does not always have a comparable UN number. How do you determine hazard classes for overseas shipments? 2) Airline shipments. I have been told that some combustibles (e.g. class II and class III-A) which have flashpoints below 200 degrees F must still be marked as flammables when shipped on airlines. Where can this (and other related information) be found? 3) When information on a particular chemical is not available as to the hazard code that must be assigned a) in the US and b) in the world, what steps would be prudent in determining how best to ship materials safely? 4) DOT Training requirements for various types of facilities. For instance, there are facilities that drive materials around on their premises and those that receive chemicals at a loading dock without further transport. Also, there is the transport out of the facility training issues. In any case, having a matrix that describes the training requirements for all of these scenarios would be a help. I'm sure there are more issues that would need to be addressed in such a class. Let us know if you will offer one. Thanks! Helen -----Original Message----- From: Labsafe@AOL.COM [SMTP:Labsafe@AOL.COM] Sent: Saturday, September 05, 1998 6:52 AM To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU Subject: Re: SHIPPING OF RESEARCH SAMPLES In a message dated 98-09-03 13:44:22 EDT, you write: << someone else out there may know where such training is available; >> LSW can provide training in the area of shipment of hazardous materials. Would there be enough interest to offer such a course at New Safety '99 in January or perhaps sooner? ... jim ***************************************************** James A. Kaufman, President The Laboratory Safety Workshop 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 LabSafe@aol.com Safety in Science Education The Laboratory Safety Workshop is a national non-profit educational organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and important part of science education. Free copies of our Laboratory Safety Guidelines, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, seminar schedule, and membership information are available on request. The LABSAFETY-L discussion list is a public service of LSW. Visit our growing web site at www:LABSAFETY.ORG ********************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:48:32 +1200 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: John Downey Subject: Re: JAK's HAZMAT SHIPPING CLASS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" For shipment to the rest of the world, the "United Nations Recommendations on the Transport of dangerous Goods", now up to the 10th edition, commonly known as the UNRTDG or the Orange Book (from its cover) is a pretty good bible. If individual countries have variations on these recommendations, they will only be minor, and would normally accept imported items complying with these rules. IATA have additional requirements for airfreight, and IMCO have additional requirements for seafreight, though less stringent requirements in some other areas. But if you comply with UNRTDG you will have 95% of your problems beaten. The rest of the world doesn't necessarily believe that DOT know all there is to know about shipping hazardous substances. Cheers John. > -----Original Message----- > From: Helen B. Gerhard [SMTP:hbgerhard@MEDLOGIC.COM] > Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 4:03 AM > To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU > Subject: JAK's HAZMAT SHIPPING CLASS > > I would be very interested in such a class. Would like to see several > things addressed: > > 1) The rest of the world does not use the NA designations that the > DOT > uses. Rather, they only use the UN hazard numbers only. As a result, a > material that has a DOT NA number associated does not always have a > comparable UN number. How do you determine hazard classes for overseas > shipments? > 2) Airline shipments. I have been told that some combustibles (e.g. > class II and class III-A) which have flashpoints below 200 degrees F must > still be marked as flammables when shipped on airlines. Where can this > (and > other related information) be found? > 3) When information on a particular chemical is not available as to > the > hazard code that must be assigned a) in the US and b) in the world, what > steps would be prudent in determining how best to ship materials safely? > 4) DOT Training requirements for various types of facilities. For > instance, there are facilities that drive materials around on their > premises > and those that receive chemicals at a loading dock without further > transport. Also, there is the transport out of the facility training > issues. In any case, having a matrix that describes the training > requirements for all of these scenarios would be a help. > > I'm sure there are more issues that would need to be addressed in such a > class. Let us know if you will offer one. > > Thanks! > > Helen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Labsafe@AOL.COM [SMTP:Labsafe@AOL.COM] > Sent: Saturday, September 05, 1998 6:52 AM > To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU > Subject: Re: SHIPPING OF RESEARCH SAMPLES > > In a message dated 98-09-03 13:44:22 EDT, you write: > > << someone else out there may know where such training is > available; > >> > > LSW can provide training in the area of shipment of hazardous > materials. > Would there be enough interest to offer such a course at New > Safety > '99 > in January or perhaps sooner? ... jim > > ***************************************************** > James A. Kaufman, President > The Laboratory Safety Workshop > 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 > 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 LabSafe@aol.com > Safety in Science Education > > The Laboratory Safety Workshop is a national non-profit > educational > organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and > important part of science education. Free copies of our > Laboratory > Safety Guidelines, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, > seminar > schedule, and membership information are available on request. > > The LABSAFETY-L discussion list is a public service of LSW. > Visit our growing web site at www:LABSAFETY.ORG > > ********************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 21:22:41 -0700 Reply-To: Bill Deutschman Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Bill Deutschman Subject: An Apology for a Rude Message: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear List Members: Last Sunday I returned home from two weeks of travel and after missing two days of Labor Day weekend started to read the 801 e-mail messages on my computer. Unfortunately I lost my temper while trying to select the messages I wanted to read and sent rude messages to several list members who had not included subjects with their messages. Even worse I sent the messages to the entire list instead of the specific authors, wasted your valuable time and probably embarrassed the authors. There is no excuse for my inappropriate messages and rude manners on this very useful list. I am sorry that I sent the messages and apologize to the list member and the specific authors. bill Bill Deutschman Oregon Laser Consultants 455 Hillside Avenue Klamath Falls, OR 97601-2337 olcbill@cdsnet.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:54:57 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Susan Lauterbach Subject: Speaker for Departmental Safety Meeting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does anyone have any suggestions about a speaker for a Chemistry Department Lab Safety Meeting??? It would be great if this person had both a teaching and research background. Many researchers in our department are not as interested in safety in teaching laboratories as they would be in application in the research labs. Generally our Safety and Security Committee picks a topic for our annual Safety Meetings. Most of the good videos on the market (Howard Hughes Institute) are applicable for mostly Biochemistry type lab atmosphere, not necessarily an Organic, Physical, or Analytical area. We thought, perhaps, that there might be someone who could deliver a semiar on Safety similar to a semiar on research project/area. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Susan L. Susan K. Lauterbach, M.S. 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------=_NextPart_000_0040_01BDDB04.2C2DE7C0-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:12:40 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "James M. Wherley, NPHS Chemistry Instructor" Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jim Wherley, Chemistry Instructor, New Philadelphia High School 343 Ray Avenue NW, New Philadelphia, Ohio, 44663 Voice: 330-364-0644, Home: 330-339-5487 Fax Number: 330-364-0611 e-mail: np_21@omalp1.omeresa.ohio.gov ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:48:26 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Mary Ann Solstad Subject: Re: Speaker for Departmental Safety Meeting In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980908095457.007a4450@chemdept.chem.ou.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You only have an annual safety meeting!!? How long is it? All day or an hour? You might try to bump the hours up. As for videos, try the ACS lab safety series. Several have won international awards in the training film category. Don't forget, any training film needs to be followed by discussion, especially as some of the important points are buried under a good deal of humor. They are not cheap, however. I was tech advisor to one and can attest to the many rewrites and reviews they went through at each step. Mary Ann At 09:54 AM 9/8/98 -0500, you wrote: >Does anyone have any suggestions about a speaker for a Chemistry >Department Lab Safety Meeting??? It would be great if this person had both >a teaching and research background. Many researchers in our department are >not as interested in safety in teaching laboratories as they would be in >application in the research labs. Generally our Safety and Security >Committee picks a topic for our annual Safety Meetings. Most of the good >videos on the market (Howard Hughes Institute) are applicable for mostly >Biochemistry type lab atmosphere, not necessarily an Organic, Physical, or >Analytical area. We thought, perhaps, that there might be someone who >could deliver a semiar on Safety similar to a semiar on research project/area. > >Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > >Susan L. > > > >Susan K. Lauterbach, M.S. >Coordinator, Instructional Laboratories and Facility Safety >University of Oklahoma >Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry >620 Parrington Oval, Room 208 >Norman, OK 73019 >Phone: 405-325-2742 >FAX: 405-325-6111 >e-mail: sklauterbach@ou.edu > Mary Ann Solstad, CIH 4 A's of Safety SOLSTAD Health & Safety Evaluations Attitude 16 Pequot Rd, Marblehead, MA 01945 Awareness 781-631-4748 tel, 781-631-1832 FAX Automatic Application Authority DivCHAS Chair, ACS msolstad@mediaone.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:10:53 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Howard Spencer Subject: Speaker for Safety Meeting - My suggestion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Contact Dr. Kaufman. He is a great presenter and has through the lab safety workshop a good lending library of films. His address is at the bottom of all of the administrator messages or call 508-647-0900. > ---------- > From: Mary Ann Solstad[SMTP:msolstad@MEDIAONE.NET] > Reply To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List > Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 11:48 AM > To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU > Subject: Re: Speaker for Departmental Safety Meeting > > You only have an annual safety meeting!!? How long is it? All day or > an > hour? > You might try to bump the hours up. > As for videos, try the ACS lab safety series. Several have won > international awards in the training film category. Don't forget, any > training film needs to be followed by discussion, especially as some > of the > important points are buried under a good deal of humor. They are not > cheap, however. I was tech advisor to one and can attest to the many > rewrites and reviews they went through at each step. > > Mary Ann > > > > At 09:54 AM 9/8/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Does anyone have any suggestions about a speaker for a Chemistry > >Department Lab Safety Meeting??? It would be great if this person > had both > >a teaching and research background. Many researchers in our > department are > >not as interested in safety in teaching laboratories as they would be > in > >application in the research labs. Generally our Safety and Security > >Committee picks a topic for our annual Safety Meetings. Most of the > good > >videos on the market (Howard Hughes Institute) are applicable for > mostly > >Biochemistry type lab atmosphere, not necessarily an Organic, > Physical, or > >Analytical area. We thought, perhaps, that there might be someone > who > >could deliver a semiar on Safety similar to a semiar on research > project/area. > > > >Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > > >Susan L. > > > > > > > >Susan K. Lauterbach, M.S. > >Coordinator, Instructional Laboratories and Facility Safety > >University of Oklahoma > >Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry > >620 Parrington Oval, Room 208 > >Norman, OK 73019 > >Phone: 405-325-2742 > >FAX: 405-325-6111 > >e-mail: sklauterbach@ou.edu > > > Mary Ann Solstad, CIH 4 A's of Safety > SOLSTAD Health & Safety Evaluations Attitude > 16 Pequot Rd, Marblehead, MA 01945 Awareness > 781-631-4748 tel, 781-631-1832 FAX Automatic Application > Authority > DivCHAS Chair, ACS > msolstad@mediaone.net > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:12:26 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Dennis Mathiason Subject: Re: Ethanol Combustion Demonstration In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >In a message dated 98-09-05 03:48:16 EDT, you write: > ><< I use a demo in class where I put a capful of ethanol in a plastic gallon > bottle, swirl the liquid around to coat the insides and let it evaporate, > dump out any excess, and drop in a match. The result is an impressive jet > of flame out the opening followed by my pouring out the water which was > produced by the reaction. > I heard recently that there had been some problems (explosions) with others > doing this demo. Anybody have any facts on this? >> > >JAK: Yes, there have been explosions. These have included the use of >plastic bottles. If by chance (on a bad day) you end up with the >stoichiometric mixture or air and alcohol (you can calc the amounts), you can >have a detonation instead of the deflagration you have been observing. The >difference could change you whole outlook on this demo! > >If you would like to continue to do it. Wrap the jug with clear, wide plastic >tape. Put a shield between the demo and the students and the demo and >yourself. Require the students to wear chemical splash safety goggles. And, >a good alternative is to consider making a video of yourself doing the demo >and show that to your students. > > ***************************************************** > James A. Kaufman, President > The Laboratory Safety Workshop > 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 > 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 LabSafe@aol.com > Safety in Science Education > >The Laboratory Safety Workshop is a national non-profit educational >organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and >important part of science education. Free copies of our Laboratory >Safety Guidelines, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, seminar >schedule, and membership information are available on request. > > The LABSAFETY-L discussion list is a public service of LSW. > Visit our growing web site at www:LABSAFETY.ORG > ********************************************************************** I second JAK's comments_ And there is more to consider when using plastic containers for explosion demontrations. While one would not use metal or glass containers because of shards of material potentially being produced, it is not safe to assume all plastics are equally benign. Plastics can, depending on the nature of the plastic, age of plastic, exposure to chemicals and uv light, shatter producing shards even if wrapped with tape. I have witnessed such explosions several times. The first happened with an AA instrument where a plastic bottle was being used to recover condensate from the nebulizer. While no one was lacerated, the deflected debris stung as it hit legs of bystanders. (Note: this was probably due to air/acetylene/ organic solvent) My advice: A. Use an open 8 ft plastic gutter which has been propped up at an angle. Place a chemically moistened material at the upper end and a lit candle at the bottom end. The event will be dramatic enugh to make several points: 1, flammability; and 2, dense gases will descend to lower area. B. An outdoor experiment for the approaching Fall season. Place several inches of damp leaves on ground. Sprinkle small qty of gasoline on leaves. Cover this area with a foot or more of leaves. Wait 5-15 mins (depends on wind). Toss flaming cloth onto pile. If sufficient air/fuel mixing has occured, you will have leaves scattered all over. Have never witnessed a fire because of the rapid combustion of the gasoline. Only disadvantage: Now you have to recover those damn leaves again. CAUTION!!!! Do not perform this demo near bldgs or other significant combustibles. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:11:56 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Melonee Cruse Organization: Chaffey College Subject: Re: Speaker for Departmental Safety Meeting MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Susan Lauterbach wrote: > > Does anyone have any suggestions about a speaker for a Chemistry > Department Lab Safety Meeting??? It would be great if this person had both > a teaching and research background. Many researchers in our department are > not as interested in safety in teaching laboratories as they would be in > application in the research labs. Generally our Safety and Security > Committee picks a topic for our annual Safety Meetings. Most of the good > videos on the market (Howard Hughes Institute) are applicable for mostly > Biochemistry type lab atmosphere, not necessarily an Organic, Physical, or > Analytical area. We thought, perhaps, that there might be someone who > could deliver a semiar on Safety similar to a semiar on research project/area. > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Susan L. > > Susan K. Lauterbach, M.S. > Coordinator, Instructional Laboratories and Facility Safety > University of Oklahoma > Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry > 620 Parrington Oval, Room 208 > Norman, OK 73019 > Phone: 405-325-2742 > FAX: 405-325-6111 > e-mail: sklauterbach@ou.eduHow about a lawyer. A good liability talk always perks up the safety conscience. If the school has a lawyer thats even better Melonee Cruse Chaffey community College Rancho Cucamonga, CA ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 10:11:57 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Neal Langerman Subject: Re: JAK's HAZMAT SHIPPING CLASS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" As I said, October 19 in Saan Diego. All of these things will be discussed, and more. Contact me directly for cost (very reasonable) and location. Neal At 10:03 AM 9/7/98 -0600, you wrote: >I would be very interested in such a class. Would like to see several >things addressed: > >1) The rest of the world does not use the NA designations that the DOT >uses. Rather, they only use the UN hazard numbers only. As a result, a >material that has a DOT NA number associated does not always have a >comparable UN number. How do you determine hazard classes for overseas >shipments? >2) Airline shipments. I have been told that some combustibles (e.g. >class II and class III-A) which have flashpoints below 200 degrees F must >still be marked as flammables when shipped on airlines. Where can this (and >other related information) be found? >3) When information on a particular chemical is not available as to the >hazard code that must be assigned a) in the US and b) in the world, what >steps would be prudent in determining how best to ship materials safely? >4) DOT Training requirements for various types of facilities. For >instance, there are facilities that drive materials around on their premises >and those that receive chemicals at a loading dock without further >transport. Also, there is the transport out of the facility training >issues. In any case, having a matrix that describes the training >requirements for all of these scenarios would be a help. > >I'm sure there are more issues that would need to be addressed in such a >class. Let us know if you will offer one. > >Thanks! > >Helen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Labsafe@AOL.COM [SMTP:Labsafe@AOL.COM] > Sent: Saturday, September 05, 1998 6:52 AM > To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU > Subject: Re: SHIPPING OF RESEARCH SAMPLES > > In a message dated 98-09-03 13:44:22 EDT, you write: > > << someone else out there may know where such training is available; >>> > > LSW can provide training in the area of shipment of hazardous >materials. > Would there be enough interest to offer such a course at New Safety >'99 > in January or perhaps sooner? ... jim > > ***************************************************** > James A. Kaufman, President > The Laboratory Safety Workshop > 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 > 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 LabSafe@aol.com > Safety in Science Education > > The Laboratory Safety Workshop is a national non-profit educational > organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and > important part of science education. Free copies of our Laboratory > Safety Guidelines, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, >seminar > schedule, and membership information are available on request. > > The LABSAFETY-L discussion list is a public service of LSW. > Visit our growing web site at www:LABSAFETY.ORG > >********************************************************************** > > ********************************************* NEAL LANGERMAN ADVANCED CHEMICAL SAFETY 8909 C Complex Drive San Diego, CA 92123-1002 619-874-5577 619-874-8239 (FAX) chemsaf@ix.netcom.com NEW and REVISED! Visit our Home Page: http://www.chemical-safety.com http:\\www.chemical-safety.com The Source for the prevention of injury, illness and environmental insult! ********************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:00:03 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Paula Ortiz Subject: pregnancy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi All! I have another question for the group. Does anyone have a policy concerning pregnant students in biology and chemistry laboratory classes? We are concerned because our curriculum encompasses the use of hazardous chemicals in chemistry as well as certain biology labs, i.e. Human Anatomy & Physiology. We also teach Microbiology and work with infectious agents. Can anyone provide any guidance or send me a copy of your policy concerning this matter? Thank You... Paula Ortiz Science Laboratory Technician Washington State Community College 710 Colegate Dr. Marietta, OH 45750 phone: 1-740-374-8716 e-mail: portiz@wscc.edu fax: 1-740-373-7496 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 14:09:02 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Jeff Rubin Subject: Re: New CHO Book In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jim, Any chance you could bring one of these with you to Galveston? I'd like to look at it first but will probably take it off your hands there. Thanks, JNR >"Living with the Laboratory Standard: a guide for chemical hygiene officers" >has just been published by the ACS. It contains the standard itself (without >appendices), discussion of the requirements, a glossary, references, a list of >federal regulations affecting laboratories, and forms and descriptions for >compliance. The 48-page, 8x11 booklet lists for $25.00 including shipping and >handling. > >NACHO members can save 30% by ordering from LSW. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 17:54:49 -0300 Reply-To: damar@wkve.com.br Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Damaris Silveira Duarte Subject: Re: pregnancy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This year I had two pregnancy cases in my Experimental Organic class. As we hadn't any policy about it, I explained the harzard to them and suggested to both students close their application until the end of pregnancy. One of them did it, but the other refused the suggestion. I notified the Director of the College about the cases and during the classes she only watched her colleagues as far as possible to the bench. But in my opinion, the pregnant shouldn't be in the lab. I never would put my child life in danger. Dâmaris Silveira Duarte Centro de Ciências Exatas e Tecnológicas -CECET Universidade Vale do Rio Doce - UNIVALE rua Moreira Sales, 850, Vila Bretas Governador Valadares -Minas Gerais - Brasil CEP 35032-130 Tel: 55 033 2213090 ext.313 Fax: 55 033 2213185 e-mail: damaris@mail.univale.br damar@wkve.com.br lychnos@dedalus.lcc.ufmg.br > I have another question for the group. Does anyone have a policy > concerning pregnant students in biology and chemistry laboratory classes? > We are concerned because our curriculum encompasses the use of hazardous > chemicals in chemistry as well as certain biology labs, i.e. Human Anatomy > & Physiology. We also teach Microbiology and work with infectious agents. > Can anyone provide any guidance or send me a copy of your policy concerning > this matter? > > Thank You... > > Paula Ortiz > Science Laboratory Technician > Washington State Community College > 710 Colegate Dr. > Marietta, OH 45750 > phone: 1-740-374-8716 > e-mail: portiz@wscc.edu > fax: 1-740-373-7496 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 16:06:47 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Gillian Gardner Subject: Re: pregnancy In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980909150003.006b5c5c@wscc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII While I don't have a formal written policy, I do ask that students come see me if they know or suspect they might be pregnant. The primary hazards are fumes from organic solvents (especially halogenated solvents such as chloroform), heavy metals, and radioactivity, as well as any toxins which can be absorbed through the skin. In our courses, I would be comfortable with a pregnant student in our environmental chemistry course for nonmajors or even our first semester general chemistry course. However, I have advised pregnant students in the past to avoid organic chemistry lab because of fumes. We also have a lab in second semester general chemistry that involves production of small amounts of bromine fumes and, again, I would advise a student in that course to miss that experiment. Gillian Gardner Lewis & Clark College Disclaimer: These opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of Lewis & Clark College. On Wed, 9 Sep 1998, Paula Ortiz wrote: > Hi All! > > I have another question for the group. Does anyone have a policy > concerning pregnant students in biology and chemistry laboratory classes? > We are concerned because our curriculum encompasses the use of hazardous > chemicals in chemistry as well as certain biology labs, i.e. Human Anatomy > & Physiology. We also teach Microbiology and work with infectious agents. > Can anyone provide any guidance or send me a copy of your policy concerning > this matter? > > Thank You... > > Paula Ortiz > Science Laboratory Technician > Washington State Community College > 710 Colegate Dr. > Marietta, OH 45750 > phone: 1-740-374-8716 > e-mail: portiz@wscc.edu > fax: 1-740-373-7496 > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 17:34:51 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Melonee Cruse Organization: Chaffey College Subject: [Fwd: Re: pregnancy] MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------3EF75CEC4A5" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3EF75CEC4A5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello All, I replied to the email about pregnancy in the lab and sent it directly to Paula. After reading the responses I thought someone might be interested in hearing my response. I am forwarding the message I sent to her. --------------3EF75CEC4A5 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Message-ID: <35F71DA2.32C9@chaffey.cc.ca.us> Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 17:30:26 -0700 From: Melonee Cruse Organization: Chaffey College X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: portiz@wscc.edu Subject: Re: pregnancy References: <3.0.3.32.19980909150003.006b5c5c@wscc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paula Ortiz wrote: > > Hi All! > > I have another question for the group. Does anyone have a policy > concerning pregnant students in biology and chemistry laboratory classes? > We are concerned because our curriculum encompasses the use of hazardous > chemicals in chemistry as well as certain biology labs, i.e. Human Anatomy > & Physiology. We also teach Microbiology and work with infectious agents. > Can anyone provide any guidance or send me a copy of your policy concerning > this matter? > > Thank You... > > Paula Ortiz > Science Laboratory Technician > Washington State Community College > 710 Colegate Dr. > Marietta, OH 45750 > phone: 1-740-374-8716 > e-mail: portiz@wscc.edu > fax: 1-740-373-7496Hi, At the Chaffey Community College chemistry department we have developed a Pregnancy Release form. It consist of a written release form that must be signed by the physician and a list of chemicals the student will be exposed to in the lab. We do not list the amounts used, just the name of the chemical, even the demonstration chemicals. The release form states that the student listed will be exposed to the following chemicals. We leave a space for their commments. Many doctors have signed the release form. We include our phone number should they have questions. To date none have called us. I have found that the ones that do not sign the form are foreign doctors ( I can only tell by their names). We do not allow the students to work until we have the form and they must be the orginals. We have had several women come through the lab and we make sure we help them as they are working in the lab, we tell them to get plenty of air and if the chemicals are hazardous we tell them to work with a partner and just record data. So far it has worked well. I worked nearly eight and a half months in the lab during my second pregnancy. My kid is nuts but its genetic! If you have any questions call me at (909) 941-2387 or email Melonee Cruse Chaffey Community College Chemistry Stockroom mcruse@chaffey.cc.ca.us --------------3EF75CEC4A5-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:53:54 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Labsafe@AOL.COM Subject: Re: pregnancy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-09-09 14:53:11 EDT, you write: << Does anyone have a policy concerning pregnant students in biology and chemistry laboratory classes? >> JAK: There was quite an animated discussion on this topic a few months ago. The messages are in the archives (I think). And, I saved them in a file which I will be happy to send to anyone who asks me off-line (directly). Please do not send requests for this file to the whole list. I'm trying harder and haven't done it (personal messages to the whole list) in at least a week! ***************************************************** James A. Kaufman, President The Laboratory Safety Workshop 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 LabSafe@aol.com Safety in Science Education The Laboratory Safety Workshop is a national non-profit educational organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and important part of science education. Free copies of our Laboratory Safety Guidelines, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, seminar schedule, and membership information are available on request. The LABSAFETY-L discussion list is a public service of LSW. Visit our growing web site at www:LABSAFETY.ORG ********************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 06:33:27 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Labsafe@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Visorgogs Comments: To: Safety , NAOSMM@LISTSERV.RICE.EDU, dchas-l@SIU.EDU, CHEMCOM@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Recently, on the CHEMED discussion list someone asked about comfortable goggles. Someone else recommended Visorgogs. I responded..... << Chemical splash protection in the lab must be from "chemical splash goggles". The problem with Visorgogs is that they are not "chemical splash goggles". According to the ANSI Z-87.1 standard, which is the basis for most state and the federal eye protection law, chemical splash goggles do not allow direct access to the eye. Most Visorgogs that I've seen allow you to stick your whole finger in your eye. Imagine what acid or base would do. >> What's your view on Visorgogs? ... jim PS. A one-day lab safety seminar will be held next Wedneday in Galveston, Texas in conjunction with the Gulf Coast Conference. ***************************************************** James A. Kaufman, President The Laboratory Safety Workshop 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 LabSafe@aol.com Safety in Science Education The Laboratory Safety Workshop is a national non-profit educational organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and important part of science education. Free copies of our Laboratory Safety Guidelines, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, seminar schedule, and membership information are available on request. The LABSAFETY-L discussion list is a public service of LSW. Visit our growing web site at www:LABSAFETY.ORG ********************************************************************** ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zb02.mx.aol.com (rly-zb02.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.2]) by air-zb01.mail.aol.com (v49.1) with SMTP; Wed, 09 Sep 1998 23:52:44 2000 Received: from smtp-relay.colpal.com (gw-out1.cpwin.com [192.132.225.129]) by rly-zb02.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id XAA05644 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 23:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imagate.colpal.com by smtp-relay.colpal.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) >> ***************************************************** James A. Kaufman, President The Laboratory Safety Workshop 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 LabSafe@aol.com Safety in Science Education The Laboratory Safety Workshop is a national non-profit educational organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and important part of science education. Free copies of our Laboratory Safety Guidelines, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, seminar schedule, and membership information are available on request. The LABSAFETY-L discussion list is a public service of LSW. Visit our growing web site at www:LABSAFETY.ORG ********************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 06:36:36 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Andrew Szilagyi Subject: Re[2]: pregnancy This subject (somewhat more related to employment rather than students) elicited a host of hot and heavy (sort of what led up to the situation to begin with) discussions. Lots of very strong feelings on both sides of the camp - you may want to look back in the archives about 6 or so months ago. andrew.szilagyi@em.doe.gov ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: pregnancy Author: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU at INTERNET Date: 9/9/98 7:06 PM While I don't have a formal written policy, I do ask that students come see me if they know or suspect they might be pregnant. The primary hazards are fumes from organic solvents (especially halogenated solvents such as chloroform), heavy metals, and radioactivity, as well as any toxins which can be absorbed through the skin. In our courses, I would be comfortable with a pregnant student in our environmental chemistry course for nonmajors or even our first semester general chemistry course. However, I have advised pregnant students in the