========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:49:22 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Gilbert Smith Subject: Re: Training Opportunities MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/28/99 2:50:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, smithme@MERCURY.HENDRIX.EDU writes: > Where and when is the LS&M Conference? > FYI web site: LS&EM - The Conference Gilbert Smith ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:52:07 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Gordon Miller Subject: Re: Who pays for safety? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990528095347.007b3100@mail.scripps.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" One item I learned some time ago was that the cost of safety should be borne by central management as much as possible, rather than by operational elements (such as researchers eking out grant money). The cost of accidents should be borne by the operating elements. The economic incentives favor safety. Given the manifest majesty, prestige, and power of safety, you can bet the cost of safety usually comes from operating elements (upgrade the hood using that NIH grant) while the cost of accidents is borne by the central organization. Gordon Miller, CIH CHO ----------------------- >>One of the questions always asked by our faculty when safety issues are >>brought up is, "Who is going to pay for it?" >> >>The implication is that THEY are not going to pay for it ('research funds >>are for research') and the department is not going to foot all the bill >>(limited funds and none allocated for safety). Occassionally the >>department and a few researchers have had 'extra' money to purchase much >>needed flame cabinets, but the majority of safety needs are not addressed. >> >>Who pays for safety at other institutions? >> >> >>Dewey Williams - Lab Manager > > >Dewey, > >Research money is for research, which includes "everything" involved with >that research. If a researcher needs to have 60 gallons of flammable >liquids to do his/her research then they need a flammable cabinet to store >it in. So..... "They" pay for it. Just like if they needed a pipette, or >centrifuge or any other "tool" to perform their work. The cabinet is >simply another "tool" required to perform the work. > >At least that is how we work it here. > >Barry > > >Kenneth "Barry" Rutledge >Senior Safety Specialist >The Scripps Research Inst. >La Jolla, CA ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:14:29 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Lorenz, Robert" Subject: Use of Plastic Containers for Flammable Liquids MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Hi gang, I recently received a brochure which displays Right to Know Safety Wash bottles which the brochure describes are designed for dispensing, labeling, disposing of hazardous waste, transporting/carrying chemical bottles, and shipping of hazardous materials. These bottles are made of low density polyethylene and are available pre-labeled for acetone, ethyl alcohol, methanol, isopropanol, etc. The brochure states that the products listed comply with the OSHA Hazard Communication standard. My question is how do they stack up against the Fire Code? Do you use these wash bottles at your facilities? If so, are the bottles considered "in use" or some other status besides storage? The Uniform Fire Code (1994 edition is what I have) states in Section 7902.1.8.1.3 that plastic containers shall not be used for the storage of Class I or II liquids unless listed approved. The product brochure does not state that these containers are "listed approved"; so in what instances would the use of these containers be in accordance with the Fire Code? Do you use the containers to dispense liquids during a work period then store the flammable liquids in an approved container? Bob Lorenz Environmental Coordinator, HazMat Pacific Gas and Electric rwl1@pge.com 805-545-4690 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:58:56 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Bob Burns Subject: Re: Use of Plastic Containers for Flammable Liquids MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We use plastic squeeze bottles for acetone. They are on the bench when not in use. they are, however, the no pressure build-up type so the don't dribble on the bench top. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lorenz, Robert To: Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 20:14 Subject: Use of Plastic Containers for Flammable Liquids > Hi gang, > > I recently received a brochure which displays Right to Know Safety Wash > bottles which the brochure describes are designed for dispensing, labeling, > disposing of hazardous waste, transporting/carrying chemical bottles, and > shipping of hazardous materials. These bottles are made of low density > polyethylene and are available pre-labeled for acetone, ethyl alcohol, > methanol, isopropanol, etc. The brochure states that the products listed > comply with the OSHA Hazard Communication standard. My question is how do > they stack up against the Fire Code? > > Do you use these wash bottles at your facilities? If so, are the bottles > considered "in use" or some other status besides storage? > > The Uniform Fire Code (1994 edition is what I have) states in Section > 7902.1.8.1.3 that plastic containers shall not be used for the storage of > Class I or II liquids unless listed approved. > > The product brochure does not state that these containers are "listed > approved"; so in what instances would the use of these containers be in > accordance with the Fire Code? Do you use the containers to dispense > liquids during a work period then store the flammable liquids in an approved > container? > > Bob Lorenz > Environmental Coordinator, HazMat > Pacific Gas and Electric > rwl1@pge.com > 805-545-4690 > > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:59:39 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Harry Elston Subject: Re: Use of Plastic Containers for Flammable Liquids Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:58 AM 6/2/99 -0400, you wrote: > Hi gang, > I recently received a brochure which displays Right to Know Safety Wash > bottles which the brochure describes are designed for dispensing, >labeling, > disposing of hazardous waste, transporting/carrying chemical bottles, and > shipping of hazardous materials. These bottles are made of low density > polyethylene and are available pre-labeled for acetone, ethyl alcohol, > methanol, isopropanol, etc. The brochure states that the products listed > comply with the OSHA Hazard Communication standard. My question is how do > they stack up against the Fire Code? > Do you use these wash bottles at your facilities? If so, are the bottles > considered "in use" or some other status besides storage? > > The Uniform Fire Code (1994 edition is what I have) states in Section > 7902.1.8.1.3 that plastic containers shall not be used for the storage of > Class I or II liquids unless listed approved. > > The product brochure does not state that these containers are "listed > approved"; so in what instances would the use of these containers be in > accordance with the Fire Code? Do you use the containers to dispense > liquids during a work period then store the flammable liquids in an > approved container? > > Bob Lorenz > Environmental Coordinator, HazMat > Pacific Gas and Electric > rwl1@pge.com > 805-545-4690 For what it's worth, we have always considered small, "personal use" containers (ie. squeeze bottles, 500-2000 ml HDPE/PFE bottles,etc.) to be "in use" containers for the chemists. In our CHP, "storage" refers to containers as they arrive from the manufacturer, such as 2.5 L - 4 L containers (for liquids). You might want to make reference to what is "storage" and what is "in use" in your chemical hygiene plan. Harry Harry J. Elston, Ph.D., NRCC-CHO Editor, Chemical Health and Safety Chemical Hygiene Officer Illinois Department of Nuclear Safety Opinions are mine, not my employer's, blah, blah, blah "God made all those stars out of nothin'. He just 'pfffft' and there they were." -Larry the Cucumber, Veggie Tales ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:09:16 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Labsafe@AOL.COM Subject: EPA Enforcement MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thema: FW: EPA Enforcement Initiative Heads to MidAtlantic States Datum: 02.06.1999 15:50:37 From: rsrrdl@onramp.net (Rebecca Levins, RSR Corporation) To: LABSAFE@AOL.COM ('LABSAFE@AOL.COM') Jim, This came through the safety list from Ralph Stuart. You might want to post it to the lab safety list if it isn't already posted. Best regards, Rebecca Levins Environmental, Health & Safety Compliance Specialist RSR Corporation Dallas, Texas RSRrdl@onramp.net (214) 583-0245 -----Original Message----- From: Ralph Stuart, University of Vermont [SMTP:rstuart@esf.uvm.edu] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 7:10 AM To: SAFETY@LIST.UVM.EDU Subject: EPA Enforcement Initiative Heads to MidAtlantic States From: "Balf, Tom" Subject: EPA Enforcement Initiative Heads to MidAtlantic States Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:42:29 -0400 This notice regarding EPA enforcement activity in the midlantic states comes from Phil Hagan at Goergetown. With respect to a specific regulatory issue raised in the press release, note that the EPA spokesperson's reference in the press release to propane storage as triggering RMP requirements is not accurate. It is my understanding that facilities will not be required to develop "Risk Manageent Plants" under Sceetion 112(r) of the Clean Air Act, based solely upon propane storage. EPA has given notice that it intends to grant a stay to smaller propane users (those storing less than 18,000 gallon) with respect to an impending June 21 deadline to report to EPA. (EPA is likely to repropose the 18,000 gallon threshold). Additionally, a federal appeals court on 4/27 granted all propane facilities a temporary reprieve from the RMP regulations, until the court has further considered the matter. The National Propane Gas Association has argued that propane should be exempted because it is stored for use as a fuel and that other regulatory requirements provide equivalent protection -----Original Message----- From: Phil Hagan [mailto:HAGANP@gunet.georgetown.edu] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 4:20 PM To: Tbalf@mlstrat.com Subject: EPA This was a press release from the EPA on 25 May 1999. It looks like they are moving faster than I thought into the other regions. I had speculated that the publicity from the movement in Region I would take a year or so to reach us. The asbestos incident dealt with a rookie inspector who decided that a piece of asbestos containing material inside an abatement area was not "wet" enough. This is the first "adverse" publicity from the incident. Pass it on to the rest of the group if you so desire. HIGHER EDUCATION ON EPA CHECK LIST PHILADELPHIA - The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, in partnership with state environmental agencies, is alerting colleges and universities throughout the mid-Atlantic states about their responsibility to comply with environmental laws and regulations. "The agency also is planning inspections to ensure protection of the environment, and the health of students and others living on or near campuses," says Samantha Fairchild, director of the Office of Enforcement, Compliance and Environmental Justice in EPA's Philadelphia regional office. "Higher education institutions are as much a part of our regulated community as are business, industry and government facilities. They must comply with all state and federal environmental laws. If they don't, they are subject to enforcement penalties." Ms. Fairchild cites a number of environmental problems at colleges and universities that include improperly handling and disposing of hazardous waste materials; boilers and furnaces that are not in compliance with clean air regulations; inadequate monitoring of underground storage tanks; sewage treatment facilities that are not operating properly; and improper abatement of lead-based paint and asbestos. Other potential areas of violation are chemistry laboratories; waste paints and varnishes from art classes; medical and veterinary schools; power plants; landfills; and farms where pesticides and animal waste can contaminate ground water and streams. "Our office will give colleges and universities regulatory and technical help to comply with environmental laws, and we will encourage the schools to audit their own compliance," Ms. Fairchild added. "We also will recommend voluntary programs so institutions can reduce energy costs and pollution. It is up to the schools to take this opportunity to comply or else face enforcement." EPA inspectors found that contractors working at Cedar Crest College of Allentown, Pa., Georgetown University of Washington, D.C., and Kutztown University of Kutztown, Pa. violated federal regulations while removing and handling asbestos. Georgetown paid a financial penalty, and all three institutions suffered negative publicity because of EPA complaints against contractors on their campuses. Prolonged exposure and inhalation of asbestos fibers can cause cancer and asbestosis, a disease which can lead to breathing difficulty and even death. The Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection found that Penn State University, University Park, Pa., had polluted groundwater in a well used as a source of water on campus with a cancer-causing chemical. In March 1997, the state agency first suspected contamination from a fire fighting training center on campus. Penn State removed 4,000 tons of dirt contaminated with the chemical perchloroethylene, or PCE, a commonly used dry-cleaning fluid and degreaser to clean industrial machinery. Federal standards allow no more than five parts per billion of PCE in groundwater. One section of the well at the university was 56 parts per billion. The cost to correct the problem has been estimated as high as $900,000. The Virginia Department of Environmental Quality found serious problems at both Virginia Tech in Blacksburg and the University of Virginia in Charlottesville. The agency discovered improper use and storage of pesticides at Tech and improper storage and disposal of hazardous waste at Virginia. Ms. Fairchild noted that colleges and universities also must comply with EPA's "worst case scenario" regulations. If specified amounts of 140 hazardous substances or propane are stored or used by an institution, a "worst-case scenario" crisis management/risk management plan must be prepared for the agency by June 30, 1999. Those affected could include sites with refrigerated warehouses and cold storage, including dairies, or water treatment facilities. "While some colleges and universities pollute our environment, others are becoming 'green institutions,'" she points out. "Delaware State and Norfolk State universities, both historically Black colleges, are slashing budget costs and reducing pollution by participating in our Energy Star Buildings Partnership. In a time when so many colleges and universities are increasing tuition and fees, Delaware State is saving more than $648,000 a year in annual energy and operating costs." "Delaware State's investment in upgrading lighting on more than one million square feet of its Dover campus also reduced emissions of two million pounds of carbon dioxide, 30,000 pounds of sulfur dioxide and 9,400 pounds of nitrogen oxides in the atmosphere." "Norfolk State in Norfolk, Va. committed more than 1.4 million square feet of space for energy efficient upgrades and will reduce its release into the air of more than 7,000 tons of carbon dioxide, 60 tons of sulfur dioxide and 26 tons of nitrogen oxides. This equates to planting 2,700 acres of trees per year and removing 1,300 automobiles from the roads each year. Businesses committed to the Energy Star Buildings Partnership have found they can reduce energy costs from 50 cents to $1.50 a square foot," Ms. Fairchild added. The mid-Atlantic states regional office of enforcement, compliance and environmental justice can be reached at 215/814-2627. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:20:49 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Dr. Linda A. Swihart" Subject: refilling 5 gal DOT shipping cans Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Please advise on what regulations, standards, and/or common sense would be violated or not violated by a plan to re-fill 5 used gallon DOT shipping cans with organic solvents for purchasers at our Chemistry stockroom: a) under any conditions b) with the original substance only (e.g. acetone only into cans orignally containing acetone...) c) into any clean/dry/sound (used) DOT shipper as long as the labels are removed/replaced d) for driving on campus in University Stores delivery vehicles to other buildings from our Chemistry stockroom. Is this idea: 1) insane 2) not quite insane, but a really bad idea 3) something that could work legally and safely with the proper precautions and written safety protocols? PS our University Stores operation already has the famed "DOT exemption" for quantities, CDLs, etc.... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:53:48 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Julie O'Brien Subject: DOT Regulations Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A handy phone number to keep around is the DOT Hazardous Materials Info-Line. 800-467-4922 They can answer questions you have about DOT regulations. They also have a lot of information on their website at http://hazmat.dot.gov. The website includes copies of regulations, letters of exceptions, and letters of clarification about the DOT regs. Julie O'Brien Chemist Archimica (Florida), Inc. PO Box 1466 Gainesville, FL 32602 352-376-8246 ext. 232 Fax 352-373-7503 afn35210@afn.org Education/Exhibits Committee Volunteer EXPO The Children's Museum of Gainesville PO Box 5951 Gainesville, FL 32627 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:07:27 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Barry Rutledge Subject: Re: refilling 5 gal DOT shipping cans In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990602122049.00859230@postoffice.purdue.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:20 PM 6/2/99 -0500, you wrote: >Please advise on what regulations, standards, and/or common sense would be >violated or not violated by a plan to re-fill 5 used gallon DOT shipping >cans with organic solvents for purchasers at our Chemistry stockroom: >Is this idea: > >1) insane >2) not quite insane, but a really bad idea >3) something that could work legally and safely with the proper precautions >and written safety protocols? > >PS our University Stores operation already has the famed "DOT exemption" >for quantities, CDLs, etc.... > > Linda, Out here in San Diego, we could not refill or dispense acetone (or any other flammable liquid) into a 5 gallon "anything" except an "approved" safety can. We frequently dispense from 55 gallon DOT steel drums but always into safety cans (grounded and bonded). Our San Diego City Fire Marshal would "freak" if we did "anything" else. Barry Kenneth "Barry" Rutledge Senior Safety Specialist The Scripps Research Inst. La Jolla, CA ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:09:18 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Dewey Williams Subject: Chemistry stockroom - Bar code systems Comments: To: CHMINF-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU, chemed-l@atlantis.uwf.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I have asked this on the NACHO list and received some good info, but I need a larger support group :! Who out there is using a bar code system in your chemistry stockroom/chemical management area? What system did you purchase? Any caveats or compliments for that system? Does your system require proprietary software or will it work with a user generated database/program? If you are using proprietary software, how customizable is it? Can inventory other than chemicals be used with your system? How 'user-friendly' is the equipment/software? Any other information concerning bar-code systems for use in chemistry stockrooms will be welcome. Everyone else that is also investigating this question, I will post a synopsis of info to the lists. Please do not send 'ME TOOS' to the list of to me. TIA Dewey Williams - Lab Manager mailto:williams@email.uncc.edu UNC-Charlotte Chemistry Dept. http://www.chem.uncc.edu "These are my ideas and no one else will claim them." "If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the precipitate" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:58:32 -0600 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Mark Smith Subject: OSHA Workshop In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.56.19990602131749.009a1db0@newmail.uncc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Can anyone give some feedback on the Human Resource Council's one-day OSHA workshops " What you must know about OSHA compliance 1999". I got the brochure and it looks interesting but was not that familiar with the organization or the trainer. (Relpy directly please) Thanks, ms *************************************** MARK SMITH HENDRIX COLLEGE CHEMISTRY LABORATORY COORDINATOR CHEMICAL HYGIENE OFFICER NRCC-CHO *************************************** 1600 Washington Ave Conway, AR 72032 501-450-3812 Fax : 501-450-3829 *************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:58:20 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "L. James Stock III" <34EMQ6K@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Subject: Re: Chemistry stockroom - Bar code systems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I am using a Macintosh based system. I use FileMakerPro as the database application to store inventory records. This includes fields foe name, cas, location, shelf quantity, reorder amounts, experiments which use it, the amounts used, maps of location, bar code number, etc. I create the bar codes using BarCodePro. I print them on Avery Laser labels using Avery MacLabel Pro software. I use an infrared scanner and Mac based software from the Videx Corp. I inventory chemicals, supplies, equipment, etc. This complex sysytem was built from scratch and is highly customized by me. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:17:04 +0000 Reply-To: maddenje@bc.edu Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "John G. Madden" Subject: Paying for Safety In-Reply-To: <199906020500.AAA48704@saluki-mail.siu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII > >>One of the questions always asked by our faculty when safety issues are > >>brought up is, "Who is going to pay for it?" Hi Dewey: At BC Chemistry, professors without research money obviously need help from the department to purchase safety-related equipment. Even professors with research money expect to have certain infrastructural things, including safety equipment, paid for by the department/university (though it depends on the individual PI how willingly grant money is spent on such equipment). There is an expectation that the grant overhead money going to the university is meant to handle things like that. The department/university supplies chairs and stools, standard U/C refrigerators, deionized water etc to the researchers. In the same vein, we try to provide flammable cabinets, spill kits, waste bottles, safety signs, and a variety of other support equipment which the PIs use, but don't own. That equipment which supports an administrative system (i.e. waste bottles, signage) and that standard equipment which would be left behind if a PI left the department (i.e. flammable cabinet) generally get paid for by the university. In some special cases, the cost is shared. In some cases, the central OEHS covers part or all of the cost of certain equipment. This may be considered too liberal and not a proper delegation of responsibility. However, I would consider it to be unrealistic to expect a variety of separate and almost autonomous research lab operations with high staff turnover rates (grad students and post-docs) always to have money available for desirable, even necessary, safety tools; to have uniform interpretation of the safety and hygiene standards; to be timely and efficient in the desired purchases; and to be able to coordinate with others for volume discount purchasing. The time and effort spent hassling with professors and their students over safety equipment purchase issues could be better employed. The good will generated by university support of safety costs can overcome a lot of resistance and resentment and lead to better functional compliance. John G. Madden maddenje@bc.edu Boston College Chemistry Department ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:22:36 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Princiotto, Laurie A" Subject: Chemistry Question Regarding HF Gas MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Can anyone help me explain how an old lecture bottle of hydrogen fluoride can overpressurize and explode after 15-25 years? If the HF reacts with the iron in the cylinder wall then for every 2 moles of HF that reacts with iron you would get 1 mole of hydrogen being produced. 2HF(gas) + Fe(solid) ----> FeF2(solid) + H2 Wouldn't this reduce the pressure in the cylinder? Can anyone help me better understand the chemistry of this reaction. I cannot understand how you can get overpressurization from hydrogen buildup. Could the contamination of a small amount of water in the lecture bottle play a role in this? I must be missing some important factor. I knew I should have paid closer attention during my chemistry classes. Thanks in advance for your help. Laurie Princiotto Laboratory Safety Specialist Phone: (812) 855-6115 Indiana University Fax: (812) 855-7906 Dept. of Environmental Health and Safety lprincio@indiana.edu Creative Arts Building http://www.ehs.indiana.edu 2735 East Tenth Street, Room 160 Bloomington, IN 47408-2602 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:45:48 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Celeste M. Sutter" Subject: Re: Chemistry stockroom - Bar code systems In-Reply-To: <199906021953.OAA05986@saluki-mailsmtp.siu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I am using a Macintosh based system. I use FileMakerPro as the database >application to store inventory records. This includes fields foe name, >cas, location, shelf quantity, reorder amounts, experiments which use it, >the amounts used, maps of location, bar code number, etc. >I create the bar codes using BarCodePro. I print them on Avery Laser >labels using Avery MacLabel Pro software. I use an infrared scanner and >Mac based software from the Videx Corp. >I inventory chemicals, supplies, equipment, etc. This complex sysytem was >built from scratch and is highly customized by me. Would you be able to give out more specific info--# or website for Videx, etc. I have also designed my own inventory system using FileMakerPro (Mac) and really like the versatility--I want to add the barcode to the system and was looking for a way to do that. I have contacted the other company (Vertere) mentioned on the list, but my database wld have to be transfered to their chemical management system--plus they have a different system (separate purchase) for equipment and supplies. The cost of the chemical inventory system was between $3000.00-5000.00. I was hoping to do it for much less. How do you like your system and does it have any shortcomings? Is it a stand alone system or portable? Will it also track chemicals as they are "signed out" of the stockroom--in other words, can a chemical be scanned and user and location designated on the system? Thanks, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Celeste M. Sutter Safety Officer/Tech. Asst. Hanover College P.O. Box 890 Hanover, IN 47243 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:11:07 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Princiotto, Laurie A" Subject: FW: Chemistry Question Regarding HF Gas MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Good explanation. Sounds correct. Thanks for your help. Laurie Princiotto > -----Original Message----- > From: Miles, Chris [SMTP:milesc@agresearch.cri.nz] > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 3:46 PM > To: 'lprincio@INDIANA.EDU' > Subject: RE: Chemistry Question Regarding HF Gas > > I don't know much about HF, but according to the CRC Handbook of > Laboratory > Safety the boiling point of HF is 19.5 degrees Celcius---presumably a gas > at > room temperature but a liquid when pressurised. Your reaction of HF with > iron would presumably be converting a liquid into a gas, causing a steep > increase in pressure. > > Chris. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Princiotto, Laurie A [SMTP:lprincio@INDIANA.EDU] > > Sent: Thursday, 3 June 1999 08:23 > > To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU > > Subject: Chemistry Question Regarding HF Gas > > > > Can anyone help me explain how an old lecture bottle of hydrogen > fluoride > > can overpressurize and explode after 15-25 years? If the HF reacts with > > the > > iron in the cylinder wall then for every 2 moles of HF that reacts with > > iron > > you would get 1 mole of hydrogen being produced. > > > > 2HF(gas) + Fe(solid) ----> FeF2(solid) + H2 > > > > Wouldn't this reduce the pressure in the cylinder? Can anyone help me > > better understand the chemistry of this reaction. I cannot understand > how > > you can get overpressurization from hydrogen buildup. Could the > > contamination of a small amount of water in the lecture bottle play a > > role > > in this? I must be missing some important factor. I knew I should have > > paid closer attention during my chemistry classes. > > > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > > > Laurie Princiotto > > Laboratory Safety Specialist Phone: > > (812) > > 855-6115 > > Indiana University > > Fax: > > (812) 855-7906 > > Dept. of Environmental Health and Safety > > lprincio@indiana.edu > > Creative Arts Building > > http://www.ehs.indiana.edu > > 2735 East Tenth Street, Room 160 > > Bloomington, IN 47408-2602 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:18:49 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Harry Elston Subject: Re: Chemistry Question Regarding HF Gas In-Reply-To: <4DDCEF49E462D21185C400805F6547DA01451E83@delaware.exchange .indiana.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:22 PM 6/2/99 -0500, you wrote: >Can anyone help me explain how an old lecture bottle of hydrogen fluoride >can overpressurize and explode after 15-25 years? If the HF reacts with the >iron in the cylinder wall then for every 2 moles of HF that reacts with iron >you would get 1 mole of hydrogen being produced. > >2HF(gas) + Fe(solid) ----> FeF2(solid) + H2 > >Wouldn't this reduce the pressure in the cylinder? Can anyone help me >better understand the chemistry of this reaction. I cannot understand how >you can get overpressurization from hydrogen buildup. Could the >contamination of a small amount of water in the lecture bottle play a role >in this? I must be missing some important factor. I knew I should have >paid closer attention during my chemistry classes. > >Thanks in advance for your help. > Laurie, I would look first for a engineering solution to the "explosion." If the bottle corrodes enough around a stress point then the bottle may catastrophically fail. I think that the "PV-T" relationship will be more appropriate than stochiometry in this case. That is my 2 cents worth though. Don't make the problem more complicated than it already is. Harry Harry J. Elston, Ph.D., NRCC-CHO Editor, Chemical Health and Safety Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. --- Ronald Reagan ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 02:15:31 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Labsafe@AOL.COM Subject: Training Feedback MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In einer eMail vom 02.06.1999 19:55:30, schreiben Sie: >Can anyone give some feedback on the Human Resource Council's one-day OSHA >workshops " What you must know about OSHA compliance 1999". I got the >brochure and it looks interesting but was not that familiar with the >organization or the trainer. Hi NACHO Members, This request points out the need for more information about training programs and opportunities. I would like to encourage you to share here your experiences and reactions to training programs. Good, Bad or indifferent. ..... Jim ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 07:31:25 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Nick Spare Subject: Re: Chemistry Question Regarding HF Gas MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I did read the other answer to this question, however, another point comes to mind. A check of the CRC handbook indicates the bpt. of HF to be around 20 degC, so just how much of the HF is in gaseous form in the cylinder? If the cylinder is one designed only for low pressure or liquefied gas, the presence of even 1/2 the # of moles of H2 could easily exceed the cylinder's pressure rating. Maybe our friends from the gas companies could shed some further light on this subject? Nick Spare Pilot Chemical -----Original Message----- From: Princiotto, Laurie A To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU Date: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 1:24 PM Subject: Chemistry Question Regarding HF Gas >Can anyone help me explain how an old lecture bottle of hydrogen fluoride >can overpressurize and explode after 15-25 years? >Laurie Princiotto >Bloomington, IN 47408-2602 > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:28:36 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Gilbert Smith Subject: Massive spill of explosive matter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Truck Crash Cripples Roads for Hours Emergency vehicles block the northbound lanes of I-95 in Springfield after a truck carrying explosive powder overturned. (Reuters) By Alan Sipress and Josh White Washington Post Staff Writers Thursday, June 3, 1999; Page A1 A truck hauling 34,000 pounds of highly explosive powder crashed in the Springfield interchange yesterday, forcing highway closures that crippled the region's road network from sunrise to sunset as emergency teams worked to remove the threatening load. The speeding rig carrying black powder to an explosives factory in Vermont flipped off a ramp shortly before 4 a.m. More than 16 hours later, crews were still struggling to unload the cargo, avoiding sparks by working shoeless in static-free cotton clothing and with tools made of brass. "It's like defusing a bomb," said Dan Schmidt, a spokesman for the Fairfax County fire department. "The procedures are in place, and you can't deviate from them one inch." Authorities closed Interstate 95 north and a portion of the Capital Beltway after the crash, snarling the morning commute, and evacuated hundreds of nearby residents. Although officials later opened all but northbound I-95 while they mobilized to remove the powder, they closed the Beltway and surrounding highways just before the evening rush hour when they decided to proceed with the cleanup. Officials said the danger of lightning strikes from possible thunderstorms prompted them not to wait until the commute was over. They also ruled out working at night because of the difficulty of seeing black powder in the dark and concern that using lights powered by generators or batteries could ignite the truck, said Fairfax County Police Chief J. Thomas Manger. The load was cleared and the roads reopened by 9 p.m. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:47:44 -0600 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Greene, Ben" Subject: Re: Chemistry Question Regarding HF Gas MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain > this subject?> > > I know of someone who, sometime ago, had quite an experience concerning > vendor capability to provide basic information on an old "mystery" > cylinder awhile back; thought I would share with the list. A 6" diameter > x 18" tall cylinder had been lost then found in the inventory. It was > believed to be over 20 years old but had been stored away from the > elements and was in visually good condition. It had vendor serial > numbers, DOT numbers, but no label. The valve was a CGA 330 (corrosive) > type. The valve was equipped with a plug. A plug means it might contain > a poison gas. The vendor was contacted but could provide no other > information than, that from their serial numbers and the CGA fitting, > their conclusion was that the cylinder contained a corrosive, poisonous > gas. There is quite a list of nasties, including a lot of Lewis acids, on > the CGA 330 list: antimony pentafluoride, boron trifluoride, H2S, nitrosyl > chloride, uranium hexafluoride. The vendor policy was to accept any of > their cylinders back, without charge. Unfortunately, the cylinder could > not be shipped to comply with DOT without positive identification. CGA > P-1 (which OSHA defaults to for compressed gas general requirements) > states that unknown cylinders be returned to the vendor. Catch 22. > Estimates from specialty disposal companies ranged to close to 30 thousand > dollars (they bring in special truck, drill into the cylinder, ID by > GC/MS, treat, clean the cylinder, and cut it in half.) Time goes by, > with increasing pressure from management to deal with the mystery > cylinder. Taking a different approach, the individual went through > appropriate CHP approvals, fitted the cylinder with a stainless steel > corrosive service regulator (in a hood and behind a shield), opened and > closed the cylinder valve remotely, flowed some into a leak-free gas cell, > and popped the gas cell into an FTIR. The gas was identified as methane. > Further analysis by GC showed no other components (that might have not > been detected in the infra-red), The cylinder was promptly shipped back > to the vendor. I imagine this episode was the CHO's nightmare, at least I > hope it was. So, be careful with your old cylinders, and don't take the > vendor's advice for gospel. By the way, would anyone have handled this > situation differently, given in-house handling and analytical > capabilities? Ben ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:15:33 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Julie O'Brien Subject: Re: Unknown cylinder Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > By the way, would anyone have handled this situation differently, given in-house handling and analytical capabilities? Considering that methane is not corrosive, I would have done further analytical testing to confirm that no corrosive components were present. Some of the possible corrosive poisons would not be detected by IR or GC. This is a situation I hope I never have to deal with myself!!! It's one of my greatest fears. Identifying gases can become very complicated very quickly. Julie O'Brien Chemist Archimica (Florida), Inc. PO Box 1466 Gainesville, FL 32602 352-376-8246 ext. 232 Fax 352-373-7503 afn35210@afn.org Education/Exhibits Committee Volunteer EXPO The Children's Museum of Gainesville PO Box 5951 Gainesville, FL 32627 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 15:51:54 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Justis, Desi" Subject: New Appointment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I hope you all don't mind if I share my news of the day.....I was just appointed CHO for my school! I am so excited! Desi Justis Laboratory Manager, CHO Department of Biology and Environmental Science Department of Chemistry Lynchburg College Justis_C@mail.lynchburg.edu (w)804.544.8361 (f)804.544.8499 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:43:46 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Janeen LaPierre Subject: Re: New Appointment Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Congratulations and good luck. I remember the rigor of fresh idealism when I was appointed CHO nearly 8 years ago. It was for me, and I'm sure is for you, a step in the right direction for your institution. Best wishes, Janeen. :):):):):):):):):):):):) Janeen Lapierre, CHO College of Osteopathic Medicine University of New England 11 Hills Beach Road Biddeford, ME 04005 E-Mail: JLaPierre@MAILBOX.UNE.EDU Phone: (207) 283-0170 ext 2446 Opinions are mine and not those of UNE. >>> "Justis, Desi" - 6/3/99 3:51 PM >>> I hope you all don't mind if I share my news of the day.....I was just appointed CHO for my school! I am so excited! Desi Justis Laboratory Manager, CHO Department of Biology and Environmental Science Department of Chemistry Lynchburg College Justis_C@mail.lynchburg.edu (w)804.544.8361 (f)804.544.8499 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 15:23:04 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Michael Ahler Subject: Refilling 5 Gallon DOT containers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Refilling" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, I have had much experience with solvent cans (DOT) such as these, and I see some problems with them apart from whatever regulatory/fire code proscriptions there may be. The precautions I am describing here come from the practical considerations of the durability of the container, the nature of the closure, and the skill of the first person who opened it. I find these containers to be of two kinds based on the type of closure they have. I have seen a few exceptions. Closure type 1: Approximately 2 inch screw cap over a Pressed On seal( metal or plastic). After unscrewing the cap and after removing the Pressed On seal with a sharp tool, the can is now open. This type of container works better than Type 2 because all the reclosable parts are metal. This can will work as a refill container PROVIDED the first person to open it is sufficiently delicate about using the sharp tool to remove the Pressed On seal. Some inspection and judgement are call for here. Closure Type 2: This container has a Pressed On seal, usually metal, as the outside closure. Upon removal of this Pressed On seal ( with a sharp tool wielded by an attentive worker), there is revealed a FLEXIBLE ( a critical point) plastic spout which must be extended upward to easily remove the approx. 1 inch plastic screw cap. Let's assume the person removing the Pressed On seal with the Sharp Tool does no damage to the plastic parts under the Seal. The first time this screw cap is opened, a "fused" seal which is part of the flexible spout must be removed from the lip of the spout to finally open the can. Today's newer fused seals can be removed with a pull ring, much like a Pop-top soda can. The plastic seals can also be removed with a sharp knife, as was required with older Flex-spout DOT cans. The problems with this situation now are: 1) removing the fused seal has to be done carefully so as not to damage the surface of the lip of the spout. Any deformation in the plastic spout will make the can impossible to seal liquid or vapor tight. Many DOT container Flex-spout openings do not survive this seal removal without a scar. I have also seen many such containers which were opened by the sword of Konan the Barbarian after a bad day. Resealing the container with such damaged and/or leaking spouts us out of the question. 2) The spout itself is FLEXIBLE and is often pushed in and out many times over the original use life the container. This repeated motion will cause a crack to form in the annular plastic joint doing this flexing. This crack is not highly visible and usually won't announce itself until the container is discovered to be leaking there. I have seen many,many,many many of these ( leakers) that appeared to be intact. Also, DOT containers are made with lighter gauge steel than are NFPA safety cans, and therefore have a shorter use life. You know a can is at it's end of usefulness by the puddle that will form around it. I have heard (I don't remenber where) that DOT containers like these are intended to be ONE TRIP containers. I am willing to take their word for it. And, NFPA flmmable safety cans come with a flash arrestor, that little bucket screen inside the fill/dispensing spout. This, of course, is absent from the DOT containers. Probably more than you wanted to know. Thanks for listening. Michael Ahler, CHO mahler@calpoly.edu Risk Management Cal Poly San Luis Obispo, California ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 09:47:19 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Gian Hofer Subject: First-Time WHMIS Trainer for Lab-Safety Comments: To: hs-canada@ccohs.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First-Time WHMIS Trainer for Lab-Safety: Anybody want to share their tips, tricks, resources, no-no's, examples, experience etc. Thanks in advance for your responses, Gian (John) Hofer Raisio Chemicals ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:35:25 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Labsafe@AOL.COM Subject: Suspending Your NACHO Mail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi NACHOs, If you are planning to go away for a week or more this summer and want to suspend your mail until you return.... Send a message to .... Listserv@siu.edu Say ..... Set labsafety-l NOMAIL When you return, send a message saying .... Set labsafety-l MAIL .... jim kaufman ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:23:06 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Jeff Rubin Subject: Cleanouts and showers In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Friday success story, followed by a question: Several weeks ago I asked for suggestions for inducements to participate in a large-scale cleanout of several buildings. Thanks for the replies. The cleanout is done: five buildings, ~ 500,000 sq. ft., almost thirty truckloads of surplus equipment, countless dumpsters filled with trash, 500 chemical containers discarded (in accordance with regs, of course), and a long-time goal of mine finally realized. We've been talking about who pays and who's responsible for safety. This is a good (and probably too rare) example of what happens when upper-level academics see the value in making buildings safer. This wouldn't have happened without the active participation and support of the Director of our new School of Biological Sciences (a multidisciplinary amalgam of former life-sciences depts), who wanted a fresh start for the buildings and occupants in the School. He provided administrative support, was a cheerleader through the whole process, and led by example - his lab group won top honors for chemical disposal. The Dean of the College (my boss) sprung for pizza for cleanout participants in the buildings (total of almost $400). Just as important, our undermanned Surplus Property crew agreed to waive some paperwork (which created a little more work for them) and set aside large blocks in their schedule for doing our buildings - we made sure they got first crack at the pizza! I heartily recommend this process: the buildings look much better, although it'll be a challenge to keep 'em this way. In all, the process took six weeks. And now for an unrelated question. We're starting to look at a shower model or two that we can install in numerous lab buildings. We'll look for ANSI standards in equipment and spacing, of course. Anyone have particularly good or bad experiences with any specific models or manufacturers? These will retro-fit installations in corridors. Please reply off-line. Thanks, JNR Jeff Rubin, Asst. Dean for EHS College of Natural Sciences G2500 W.C. Hogg Building University of Texas at Austin Austin, TX 78712-1199 (512) 471-6176 (O) (512) 471-4998 (F) jrubin@mail.utexas.edu http://www.utexas.edu/cons/safety/ "The opinions of Dr. Rubin are not meant to offend anyone unless otherwise specified." ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 13:20:28 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Don Abramowitz Subject: NACHOs at the AIHA Conference, Toronto Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hope this isn't going out too late to be of any use, but for those who may not have caught the off-line planning, all attending NACHOs should report to the conference message center on Monday, June 7, at 5:00 PM to meet, greet and eat with your counterparts across the land. Don "It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it." -- Former U.S. Vice-President Dan Quayle ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Donald Abramowitz, CIH Occupational and Environmental Safety Officer Bryn Mawr College | Swarthmore College 101 N. Merion Avenue | 500 College Avenue Bryn Mawr PA 19010 | Swarthmore PA 19081 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:59:02 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Dr. Earl Hansen" Subject: Re: Suspending Your NACHO Mail In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I tried following these directions and could not send the request. So it is listed here. Set labsafety-1 NOMAIL E. Hansen =========================================================================== === At 12:35 PM 6/4/99 EDT, you wrote: >Hi NACHOs, > >If you are planning to go away for a week or more this summer and want to >suspend your mail until you return.... > >Send a message to .... Listserv@siu.edu > >Say ..... Set labsafety-l NOMAIL > >When you return, send a message saying .... Set labsafety-l MAIL > > .... jim kaufman > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 08:05:34 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "John M. Neil" Subject: Re: Massive spill of explosive matter Comments: To: rlputnam@ucdavis.edu In-Reply-To: <22dc65fb.24880734@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:28 PM 6/3/99 EDT, you wrote: > Truck Crash Cripples Roads for Hours > >Emergency vehicles block the northbound lanes of I-95 in Springfield after a >truck carrying explosive powder overturned. (Reuters) > > By Alan Sipress and Josh White >Washington Post Staff Writers >Thursday, June 3, 1999; Page A1 > >A truck hauling 34,000 pounds of highly explosive powder crashed in the >Springfield interchange yesterday, forcing highway closures that crippled the >region's road network from sunrise to sunset as emergency teams worked to >remove the threatening load. > >The speeding rig carrying black powder to an explosives factory in Vermont >flipped off a ramp shortly before 4 a.m. More than 16 hours later, crews were >still struggling to unload the cargo, avoiding sparks by working shoeless in >static-free cotton clothing and with tools made of brass. > >"It's like defusing a bomb," said Dan Schmidt, a spokesman for the Fairfax >County fire department. "The procedures are in place, and you can't deviate >from them one inch." > >Authorities closed Interstate 95 north and a portion of the Capital Beltway >after the crash, snarling the morning commute, and evacuated hundreds of >nearby residents. Although officials later opened all but northbound I-95 >while they mobilized to remove the powder, they closed the Beltway and >surrounding highways just before the evening rush hour when they decided to >proceed with the cleanup. > >Officials said the danger of lightning strikes from possible thunderstorms >prompted them not to wait until the commute was over. They also ruled out >working at night because of the difficulty of seeing black powder in the dark >and concern that using lights powered by generators or batteries could ignite >the truck, said Fairfax County Police Chief J. Thomas Manger. The load was >cleared and the roads reopened by 9 p.m. > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:25:48 +0000 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Herman curtis Subject: Re: Massive spill of explosive matter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT So.....? Herman Curtis Department of Physical Science Cameron University 2800 W Gore Blvd Lawton, OK 73505 hermanc@cameron.edu (580)591-8007 ,(580)581-2323 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:09:16 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Patricia DePra Subject: Some consumer questions O.k., after I snapped at the joke about a month ago, I received a couple of messages telling me to chill out. So, I'm trying (now that the semester is over and I can breathe again!) I have a couple of consumer questions for you: 1. I need to clean some paint brushes in mineral spirits. What is the best way to dispose of this afterwards? (short of smuggling it into work and adding it to our waste there) FYI, I asked the nice guy at the local Home Depot. He suggested dumping it into the ground or putting it outside until it evaporated. (we talked just a little after that.) 2. I noticed that many commercial products that are quite toxic are shelved above eye-level in stores such as Wal-Mart, K-Mart, and groceries. (For instance, the new product "CLR", methylene chloride, concentrated NaOH solutions, etc.) Are there regulations that advise against this or prevent this? prevent this? 3. Yesterday I bought a soldering iron with a tiny sticker on it that said, "WARNING: This product contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer, and birth defects or other reproductive harm." No more info. Are they referring to the lead in the solder sample enclosed? The ingredients of the solder were not listed. (There was no phone number either. Kind of annoying.) And one "inside" note -- hey Steve! Stop forwarding my messages to the list to my brother! he's worried about me enough as it is! ; ) Patricia DePra Westfield State College Westfield, MA ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:54:15 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Bob Burns Subject: Re: Some consumer questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Patricia DePra To: Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 10:09 Subject: Some consumer questions > O.k., after I snapped at the joke about a month ago, I received a couple of > messages telling me to chill out. So, I'm trying (now that the semester is > over and I can breathe again!) I have a couple of consumer questions for you: > > 1. I need to clean some paint brushes in mineral spirits. What is the best > way to dispose of this afterwards? (short of smuggling it into work and > adding it to our waste there) FYI, I asked the nice guy at the local Home > Depot. He suggested dumping it into the ground or putting it outside until > it evaporated. (we talked just a little after that.) Good question. I try to avoid solvents at home- use water base paint, etc- but what should we do with solvents? Dumping and evaporating simply goes into the atmosphere. > 2. I noticed that many commercial products that are quite toxic are shelved > above eye-level in stores such as Wal-Mart, K-Mart, and groceries. (For instance, > the new product "CLR", methylene chloride, concentrated NaOH solutions, etc.) > Are there regulations that advise against this or prevent this? > > prevent this? > > 3. Yesterday I bought a soldering iron with a tiny sticker on it that said, > "WARNING: This product contains chemicals known to the State of California to > cause cancer, and birth defects or other reproductive harm." No more info. Are > they referring to the lead in the solder sample enclosed? The ingredients of the > solder were not listed. (There was no phone number either. Kind of annoying.) Most solder any more is lead free. My memory says tin and antimony? > And one "inside" note -- hey Steve! Stop forwarding my messages to the list to > my brother! he's worried about me enough as it is! ; ) > > Patricia DePra > Westfield State College > Westfield, MA > > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:54:57 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Dr. Linda A. Swihart" Subject: Re: Some consumer questions In-Reply-To: <99060910091684@foma.wsc.mass.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:09 AM 6/9/99 -0400, Patricia DePra wrote: >1. I need to clean some paint brushes in mineral spirits. What is the best >way to dispose of this afterwards? (short of smuggling it into work and >adding it to our waste there) FYI, I asked the nice guy at the local Home >Depot. He suggested dumping it into the ground or putting it outside until >it evaporated. (we talked just a little after that.) I don't know what other states have done or are doing, but Indiana was forced by its State government to find ways to deal with several waste problems, including household hazardous waste and minimization of the municipal waste stream. Something like 8 or 9 years ago, the Counties were told that they would lose State funds if they did not start developing programs. Meetings were held, plans were tossed around, our State Dept of Env Mgmt was very helpful, the Counties scrambled, and now it seems that every acre of the state is within one or another "Solid Waste Management District." Ours has surely got to be one of the best developed. Our County (Tippecanoe) threw in with a neighboring County (Clinton) to form one of the longest named entities in the government section of the phone book, "Wildcat Creek Solid Waste Management District." A staff of about 4 full time employees administer excellent educational programs, and collaborate with the Counties, Towns and Cities on recycling for glass, plastics, metal, and paper, and yard waste composting in parts of the District Plus we have a very decent little Household Hazardous Waste unit. It's a portable trailer especially designed for waste storage and managing activities. Drop-off of items is by appointment. It's open two days per month from March through November. It spends about 70% of its time in Tippecanoe County and 30% in Clinton County. (I predict that's about the population ratio.) Most of the activity at the waste trailer is bulking of oil-based paints (latex not accepted -- people are advised on how to solidify it with cat litter and put it in the regular trash). It provides moonlighting activity for numerous HazMat-trained individuals such as firefighters and Purdue HazMat staff. For more information on Indiana Solid Waste Management Districts, see http://www.state.in.us/idem/oshwm/docs/Information/swmd.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 08:11:54 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Ray Campbell Subject: Re: Some consumer questions In-Reply-To: <005101beb287$f22b36c0$5b002c0a@bburns> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The solder gun warning probably refers to the chromium and other materials in the metal. I cannot believe the misapplications and general hysteria that this Proposition 65 has caused. Recently Ace Hardware and others were sued for not placing warnings on sandpaper. They did not warn people that sand contains crystalline silica. At 10:54 AM 6/9/99 -0400, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: Patricia DePra >To: >Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 10:09 >Subject: Some consumer questions > > >> O.k., after I snapped at the joke about a month ago, I received a couple >of >> messages telling me to chill out. So, I'm trying (now that the semester >is >> over and I can breathe again!) I have a couple of consumer questions for >you: >> >> 1. I need to clean some paint brushes in mineral spirits. What is the >best >> way to dispose of this afterwards? (short of smuggling it into work and >> adding it to our waste there) FYI, I asked the nice guy at the local Home >> Depot. He suggested dumping it into the ground or putting it outside >until >> it evaporated. (we talked just a little after that.) > >Good question. I try to avoid solvents at home- use water base paint, etc- >but what should we do with solvents? Dumping and evaporating simply goes >into the atmosphere. > >> 2. I noticed that many commercial products that are quite toxic are >shelved >> above eye-level in stores such as Wal-Mart, K-Mart, and groceries. (For >instance, >> the new product "CLR", methylene chloride, concentrated NaOH solutions, >etc.) >> Are there regulations that advise against this or prevent this? >> >> prevent this? >> >> 3. Yesterday I bought a soldering iron with a tiny sticker on it that >said, >> "WARNING: This product contains chemicals known to the State of >California to >> cause cancer, and birth defects or other reproductive harm." No more >info. Are >> they referring to the lead in the solder sample enclosed? The ingredients >of the >> solder were not listed. (There was no phone number either. Kind of >annoying.) > >Most solder any more is lead free. My memory says tin and antimony? > >> And one "inside" note -- hey Steve! Stop forwarding my messages to the >list to >> my brother! he's worried about me enough as it is! ; ) >> >> Patricia DePra >> Westfield State College >> Westfield, MA >> >> >> ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 08:24:41 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Sally Cooper Subject: Re: Some consumer questions In-Reply-To: <005101beb287$f22b36c0$5b002c0a@bburns> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Patricia DePra To: Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 10:09 Subject: Some consumer questions > 1. I need to clean some paint brushes in mineral spirits. What is the best > way to dispose of this afterwards? (short of smuggling it into work and > adding it to our waste there) FYI, I asked the nice guy at the local Home > Depot. He suggested dumping it into the ground or putting it outside until > it evaporated. (we talked just a little after that.) You might call your local sanitary service or EPA office for advise. Our local garbage service has hazardous waste disposal days a couple of times a year. Consumers are allowed to bring in hazardous materials from home and they will dispose of it through safe channels. They take flammable and toxic wastes such as paint, pesticides, paint thinners, oven cleaners and drain cleaners. Good paint is used for a program where elderly and disabled people can get homes painted by volunteers. The rest is sent to an appropriate hazardous waste disposal site (so they say). When you find out the best disposal method, you might call the manager at Home Depot and talk to them about what the employee advised, and what you learned. Sally Cooper ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:14:10 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Tayman, Tammy" Subject: Re: Some consumer questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In Maryland, both Montgomery County and Frederick County have "Hazardous Waste Amnesty Days" (in Frederick Co. it is about once a year and Montgomery Co. it's once a quarter). Private citizens can bring in almost any type of hazardous waste (such as oil based paint and solvents) to be properly disposed of. They still do not accept some items such as radioactive and biohazardous waste. Nor do they accept any items from businesses and the like (rats! :). I'm not sure if this is a state driven program or if the ideas originated with the counties themselves. However, they seem to be *very* successful. You might want to check with your local municipalities to see if such a program exists in your area. If it doesn't, you might want to push for starting one! Either way, you should probably suggest to them that public education is a definite need! My small bit of info, hope it helps! Tammy Tayman -----Original Message----- From: Patricia DePra 1. I need to clean some paint brushes in mineral spirits. What is the best way to dispose of this afterwards? (short of smuggling it into work and adding it to our waste there) FYI, I asked the nice guy at the local Home Depot. He suggested dumping it into the ground or putting it outside until it evaporated. (we talked just a little after that.) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:22:38 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Nick Spare Subject: Re: Some consumer questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Calif. CHO's Any idea if this latex paint/kitty litter to trash idea is OK here in Calif? Paint disposal is a constant problem both at work and in the home. re Ray's comment on sandpaper and Prop. 65 - how come our beaches don't all have notices on them? - seems to me that they contain a lot of SiO2. Couldn't be the resultant cost due to the ensuing loss of tourism could it? Nick Spare Pilot Chemical Co. My opinions only etc. etc. etc. -----Original Message----- From: Dr. Linda A. Swihart To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 7:55 AM Subject: Re: Some consumer questions >Most of the activity at the waste trailer is bulking of oil-based paints >(latex not accepted -- people are advised on how to solidify it with cat >litter and put it in the regular trash). > >http://www.state.in.us/idem/oshwm/docs/Information/swmd.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:07:13 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Paul J Fitzgerald Subject: Re: Some consumer questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 1. I need to clean some paint brushes in mineral spirits. What is the best way to dispose of this afterwards? (short of smuggling it into work and adding it to our waste there) FYI, I asked the nice guy at the local Home Depot. He suggested dumping it into the ground or putting it outside until it evaporated. (we talked just a little after that.) Here's a suggestion for true recycling: Collect the mineral spirits, let the paint settle, and re-use it. Even "dirty" mineral spirits works great for an initial rinse. You can always use fresh mineral spirits for a final rinse. When the paint doesn't settle well any more, take it to a disposal center. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:57:08 -0400 Reply-To: "edmiston@bluffton.edu" Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Michael Edmiston Organization: Bluffton College Subject: Re: Some consumer questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I may get flamed for this, but for used brush cleaner I'm not sure the evaporation advice is all that bad, especially if you recycle as much as you can (as another responder suggested). Let's face it, if you use an oil-based paint, you are putting a lot of volatile organic compounds (VOC) into the air because the vehicle of the paint is VOC's. Therefore, by using oil-based paint you are evaporating VOC's anyway. Will the little extra from cleaning the brush really matter? Assuming you use an appropriately sized brush for the job (i.e. don't use a 4" brush with a pint of paint), and assuming you use the minimum amount of paint thinner to clean the brush, then evaporating the used thinner is not going to add much more VOC's to the air than what you already evaporated with the paint. Of course this really depends upon how much paint you use, how many brushes you use, how careful you are when you clean the brush, and whether you save the thinner for reuse after the solids settle out. But here's my major point... if you are worried about evaporating the thinner you use to clean your brush, why in the heck are you using oil based paint to begin with? Michael D. Edmiston, Ph.D. Phone/voice-mail: 419-358-3270 Professor of Chemistry & Physics FAX: 419-358-3323 Chairman, Science Department E-Mail edmiston@bluffton.edu Bluffton College 280 West College Avenue Bluffton, OH 45817 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:52:12 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Labsafe@AOL.COM Subject: Pyrophoric Sludge Question Comments: cc: POULOSVJ@aramco.com.sa.Poulose, John.V@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit << Subj: Pyrophoric Sludge Testing Date: 99-06-09 02:03:38 EDT From: POULOSVJ@aramco.com.sa (Poulose, John V) To: Labsafe@aol.com Dear Sirs, Please enlighten me on the safe methods to test pyrophoric FeS sludge containing petroleum hydrocarbons from crude oil refining process. I want to analyse the sludge for hydrocarbon content and metallic composition using either of the following techniques available at our lab: Extraction apparatus for Hydrocarbon content ICP-MS Atomic Absorption Spec. X-ray Diffraction/ Fluorescence Specs. What I 've experienced so far is that at dry stage the FeS containing material starts to smoke and ignite, thus preventing further processing for obtaining dry weight of the sample and acid solution preparation in ICP/AAS techniques. The same phenomenon applies to X-ray techniques, where dry crystalline material is loaded on the instruments. Could you advise how to safely analyse such materials in the lab ?? John Poulos/ Lab Scientist/ ARAMCO/ Saudi Arabia >> Hi NACHOs, I received the above inquiry and thought that one of us might have some helpful suggestions for John Poulos. Please respond to him directly unless you feel the information is of general interest. Thanks ... Jim ***************************************************** James A. Kaufman, Director The Laboratory Safety Workshop Safety in Science Education 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 Cell: 508-574-6264 Email: labsafe@aol.com Web Site: http://www.labsafety.org/ ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:17:28 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Patricia DePra Subject: What do you think? BTW, we have no CHO; our head of safety was a music major From: SMTP%"msullivan@wisdom.wsc.mass.edu" 10-JUN-1999 13:22:51.41 To: PDePra@ix.wsc.ma.edu CC: Subj: [Fwd: Dinitrophenol] Return-Path: msullivan@wisdom.wsc.mass.edu Received: by foma.wsc.mass.edu (UCX V4.1-12G, OpenVMS V7.1 Alpha); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:22:50 -0400 Received: from wisdom (wisdom.wsc.mass.edu [134.241.83.3]) by ix.wsc.ma.edu (8.9.0/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA11717 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msullivan.wsc.ma.edu ([134.241.76.121]) by wisdom.wsc.ma.edu (UCX V4.1-12I, OpenVMS V7.1 Alpha); Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:22:47 -0400 Message-ID: <375FF3F9.64A8@wisdom.wsc.mass.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:20:57 -0400 From: Mindy Sullivan Organization: Westfield State College X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PDePra@ix.wsc.ma.edu Subject: [Fwd: Dinitrophenol] Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <375FE9F2.5F4@wisdom.wsc.mass.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:38:10 -0400 From: Mindy Sullivan Organization: Westfield State College X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DDoe CC: PRomano Subject: Dinitrophenol Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The 2,4-dinitrophenol currently stored in Biology is an acutely hazardous waste. The transporters were not willing to take it last year and we told it required a very expensive "remote opening". Since then with further discussion, Triumvirate is willing to take it with one provision... on college letterhead we make the statement that it is more than 15% aqueous solution. This bottle was purchased in the mid to late 80's and the physical specs indicate though in powder form, it is 15% aqueous. What is now required is that someone here additionally wet it, that being done, it will leave here like any other chemical in the lab pack. Our consultants have told us this is a flammable chem, not explosive, therefore, is it possible/appropriate to ask someone in Physical Science to assist with this solution. Please advise and feel free to call me if you have any questions or concerns. Thank you in advance for your input. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:38:40 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Patricia DePra Subject: Apologies to the list I apologize to anyone I might have offended by my short-sighted comment regarding the fact that the administrator with safety responsibilities is a music major. I was corrected by a Ph.D. in safety with a music degree who accused me of being short-sighted, and she's right. My frustration with the man has nothing to do with the fact that he's a music major (as a matter of fact, I'm a strong believer in being multi-disciplinary). My frustration is really that he is uncommunicative and devoutly non-scientific. (actually, it begins there, but in light of the recent reminders that this is a public list, I'll stop here.) Although -- one example: A request sent to him asking for a contact within the Mass. state college system regarding safety issues went unanswered. You guys are my best support, and I really appreciate you. Sincere apologies to anyone I might have offended. Thanks, Patricia DePra Westfield State College ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:45:20 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Janeen LaPierre Subject: Re: What do you think? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >>>>>Snip>>>>> 2,4-dinitrophenol currently stored in Biology is an acutely hazardous waste. The transporters were not willing to take it last year and we told it required a very expensive "remote opening" >>>>>Snip>>>>> What do I think? We always take the advise of our transporter. They have some great technical folks who come to our campus and do inventories for lab packs and advise on the best methods of disposal. We do not have the staff in house to do this type of stuff. They know the business of hazardous materials or we would not be using them. We had to dispose of the same stuff a few years back. It had been a gift from a closing college near by. When I discovered, as part of a lab clean out and chemical inventory champagne, I was told it was explosive and needed to be removed remotely. Our stuff was even older than your container, but I would guess yours is sufficiently old enough to raise justified concerns as to its stability. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. The fact that the chemical is so old and no one can be certain of the water content at this point would qualify it for special handling considerations. Just last week, we had an explosives team come to remove some very, very, very old P-Dioxane from a storage room. Even with our best efforts to clean stuff out, thing get missed or are brought back to store rooms after the inventory has been done. The container was metal and distended on the top. It was removed without incident and disposed of. Would I have done it any other way? NO. I tend to approach safety from a conservative point of view. I live by the old saying "Better Safety Than Sorry". For what its worth, Janeen. :):):):):):):):):):):):) Janeen Lapierre, CHO College of Osteopathic Medicine University of New England 11 Hills Beach Road Biddeford, ME 04005 E-Mail: JLaPierre@MAILBOX.UNE.EDU Phone: (207) 283-0170 ext 2446 Opinions are mine and not those of UNE. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:22:56 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Patricia DePra Subject: the answer regarding the warning label on the soldering iron kit Here is the official company response: (FYI) Re: Cooper Tools Feedback (Larry Smith , 6:59 AM) To: "Patricia DePra, Ph.D." Thank you for contacting Cooper Tools. The warrning label was added because the iron solder tips were pretinned with lead free solder , which might contain trace amounts of lead. Also, as the rosin flux burns, it gives off small amounts of carbon monoxide. "Patricia DePra, Ph.D." wrote: > Name: > Patricia DePra, Ph.D. > > Address: > > Westfield, MA 01085 USA > > E-Mail Address: > pdepra@earthlink.net > > Phone: > > Comments or Questions: > Hello, > I have just purchased a Weller 25-watt light-duty soldering iron > kit (sp23k). On the back is a sticker: "Warning: This product > contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause > cancer, and birth defects or other reproductive harm." > > Which chemicals are these ? (I'm a chemist -- please be technical > and specific.) How can I minimize exposure? > > Thank you, > Patricia DePra > Assistant Professor, Physical Science Dept. > Westfield State College ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:30:39 -0600 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: John Elliott Subject: uranium chloride MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------8BF0FD54E1759ED55AD6B32A" --------------8BF0FD54E1759ED55AD6B32A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone have a source for about 10 g uranium (IV) chloride? I have found listings for products in catalogs and vendors in Chem Sources, but I haven't confirmed any current inventories. Thanks for direct replies to: jelliott@mines.edu John Elliott Colorado School of Mines --------------8BF0FD54E1759ED55AD6B32A Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone have a source for about 10 g uranium (IV) chloride?  I have found listings for products in catalogs and vendors in Chem Sources, but I haven't confirmed any current inventories.  Thanks for direct replies to: jelliott@mines.edu

John Elliott
Colorado School of Mines --------------8BF0FD54E1759ED55AD6B32A-- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:15:54 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Celeste M. Sutter" Subject: reduction of chemical stock Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" We will be moving to a new science facility next June and I want to reduce the chemical stock that we currently have. Does anyone know of a chemical exchange? I hate to "get rid of" perfectly good chemicals--if someone else can use them. I also don't have the budget to get rid of them as waste. Any ideas? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Celeste M. Sutter Safety Officer/Tech. Asst. Hanover College P.O. Box 890 Hanover, IN 47243 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:39:19 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: PATRICIA BARKER Organization: Wabash College Subject: Re: reduction of chemical stock In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Celeste, Am beginning to work on the same project myslef. If you come up with any good solutions please let me know. Pat ********************************************************************** Patricia Barker Barkerp@Wabash.edu Curator, Chemistry Department Phone 765-361-6207 Wabash College 301 West Wabash Ave Fax 765-361-6340 Crawfordsville, IN 47933 8:-) ********************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:36:31 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Tom Dyer Subject: Re: reduction of chemical stock In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Celeste, You can check out the Orphan Chemical Program here at MU, www.ehs.muohio.edu, it may not be what you were looking for, but is one way to handle useable chemicals. You wrote, >We will be moving to a new science facility next June and I want to reduce >the chemical stock that we currently have. Does anyone know of a chemical >exchange? I hate to "get rid of" perfectly good chemicals--if someone else >can use them. I also don't have the budget to get rid of them as waste. >Any ideas? > > >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Celeste M. Sutter >Safety Officer/Tech. Asst. >Hanover College >P.O. Box 890 >Hanover, IN 47243 >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Tom Dyer Environmental Health and Safety Offices Miami University 6 Hughes Hall Oxford, OH 45056 Phone: (513)-529-7213 Fax: (513)-529-2830 Email: dyerct@muohio.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:24:01 -0600 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Sharyn Bake Subject: Re: uranium chloride MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Hi John, I'll check at UCHSC and get back to you. Hope all is well with you. Sharyn Baker Instructor Facilities Division University of Colorado Health Sciences Center Denver, Colorado 80262 Email: sharyn.baker@uchsc.edu Office phone: (303) 315-8003 > ---------- > From: John Elliott > Reply To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List > Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 9:30 AM > To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU > Subject: uranium chloride > > Anyone have a source for about 10 g uranium (IV) chloride? I have found > listings for products in catalogs and vendors in Chem Sources, but I > haven't confirmed any current inventories. Thanks for direct replies to: > jelliott@mines.edu > > John Elliott > Colorado School of Mines > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:47:42 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Barbara Ernisse Subject: Job Posting - Boston In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hello, I am announcing a position as Research Safety Specialist at Children's Hospital in Boston. After 2 years in the position, I am resigning for non-job related reasons. Please respond directly to the address given below. I am not involved in the hiring process and will not be here after Monday. JOB REFERENCE ID 99.18357 LOCATION: Boston, MA JOB CATEGORY: Health & Medicine JOB TYPE: Full Time JOB DESCRIPTION: Manages safety programs such as: Hazardous Chemical Waste, Facility Safety Inspections, Industrial Hygiene monitoring and Biosafety. Works collaboratively to develop and implement programs and mediate solutions to safety and health problems. Excellent communication skills and an ability to develop and conduct training and education programs. Requires BA in environmental health or related field plus 2-3 years experience. ABSA certification a plus. If interested in applying for this position, please forward your resume, indicating the job reference ID via the Children's Hospital website (www.childrenshospital.org). If you prefer to fax, please do so at (617)355-7884 or mail to: Children's Hospital Human Resources 300 Longwood Avenue Boston, MA 02115 Thanks for all the safety information, entertainment and support Barb Ernisse Children's Hospital Research Safety Specialist ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:50:40 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Ray Campbell Subject: BIOHAZARDS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have been asked to determine whether we need a permit of any type to handle biohazardous material. What would we need besides a hood for biohazards? The materials are whole blood and plasma products. What about disposal etc.? PPE and training? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:11:11 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Janeen LaPierre Subject: Re: BIOHAZARDS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Ray and All. You will need a license of some sort from your states EPA or DEP to have Biomedical waste removed by a licensed hauler to a licensed disposal facility. The material needs to be double red bagged and boxed. You would need to follow the Bloodborne chapter from OSHA, which covers handling, disposal, and training. Start with the Bloodborne Pathogen standard and move on from there. I would be happy to chat further about this if you want more specifics. For what its worth, Janeen. :):):):):):):):):):):):) Janeen Lapierre, CHO College of Osteopathic Medicine University of New England 11 Hills Beach Road Biddeford, ME 04005 E-Mail: JLaPierre@MAILBOX.UNE.EDU Phone: (207) 283-0170 ext 2446 Opinions are mine and not those of UNE. >>> Ray Campbell - 6/15/99 11:50 AM >>> I have been asked to determine whether we need a permit of any type to handle biohazardous material. What would we need besides a hood for biohazards? The materials are whole blood and plasma products. What about disposal etc.? PPE and training? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:14:30 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Lisa Gonzalez Subject: Re: BIOHAZARDS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Some states require that you apply for a generator ID # for medical waste (New York does not) You should look at OSHA 29CFR1030 (Bloodborne pathogen standard) Regulated waste as defined by 1030 means: "liquid, semi-liquid blood or other potentially infectious materials; contaminated items that would release blood or other potentially infectious materials in a liquid, semi-liquid state if compressed; items that are caked with dry blood or other potentially infectious materials and are capable of releasing these materials during handling; contaminated sharps; and pathological and microbiological wastes containing blood or other potentially infectious materials." Good luck- Lisa A. Gonzalez, NRCC-CHO R&D Safety and Health Officer lisa.gonzalez@pharma.com I have been asked to determine whether we need a permit of any type to handle biohazardous material. What would we need besides a hood for biohazards? The materials are whole blood and plasma products. What about disposal etc.? PPE and training? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:59:07 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Madelyn Miller Subject: Radiation safety class In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Greetings, Does anyone have any sources for a good 40 hour rad. class? I heard the one in Connecticut was good. Madelyn ---------------------- Madelyn Miller Chemical Hygiene Officer, CCHO Environmental Health & Safety Carnegie Mellon University mmiller@andrew.cmu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:24:27 -0400 Reply-To: tom@RAGS.kent.edu Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Tom Bialke Organization: Kent State University Subject: Re: Radiation safety class Comments: To: Madelyn Miller Comments: cc: Info@RadSafety.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Checkout the Radiation Officer Training Classes put on by RSCS in New Hampshire, url radsafety.com. Attend one in New Orleans... Was very good. On 16 Jun 99, at 8:59, Madelyn Miller wrote: Priority: NORMAL Date sent: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:59:07 -0400 Send reply to: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Madelyn Miller Subject: Radiation safety class To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU > Greetings, > Does anyone have any sources for a good 40 hour rad. class? I heard > the one in Connecticut was good. > Madelyn > > ---------------------- > Madelyn Miller > Chemical Hygiene Officer, CCHO > Environmental Health & Safety > Carnegie Mellon University > mmiller@andrew.cmu.edu Tom Bialke TOM@RAGS.KENT.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:26:45 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Robert Alaimo Subject: Re: Radiation safety class Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Check out Oak Ridge Associated Universities. They specialize in radiation safety training programs. I had my RSO training there. Bob Alaimo P&G Pharmaceuticals ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:32:57 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Naomi Kelly Subject: Ventilation for chemical storage rooms Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At my suggestion, the chemistry dept. re-established a chemical stockroom for research chemicals about three years ago. The labs were (many still are) full of chemicals (floors, benchtops, crammed onto shelves and into drawers). However, once they began bringing these chemicals down to the stockroom, the odors in the stockroom became quite unpleasant and the stockroom manager requested that no more chemicals be brought in until the ventilation problems in the building were corrected. (There are certainly issues of secondary containers, adequate capping, etc. where procedures are not being followed in the storage of these chemicals, as well...)That was about two and a half years ago, and we're still working on getting the ventilation problems corrected (sound familiar?) Anyway, funds have been approved and should be available next month for the ventilation "fix". The air exchange rate of the room is 6/hour now, however, a hood is the only exhaust outlet with air being supplied from one duct on the side of the room. The engineers have proposed installing some additional ceiling exhaust grilles around the room. Since there are no "occupants" in this room and tall shelves lining the room, it is assumed that the fact that room air is not being thoroughly mixed is most of the problem. I have an opportunity at this time to request that the air exchange rate be increased, but I would have to provide a good argument for this. In the absence of specific requirements, guidelines of 4-12 air changes per hour usually means you get the minimum if facilities makes the decision (they're covering the costs on this one). If the air is thoroughly mixed, increasing the exchange rate would result in very little gain at the expense of loss of tempered air, however, it seems to me that achieving a through mixing of air is this type of room is difficult and may require more than a few more exhaust ducts. Any thoughts/suggestion? Naomi Kelly Environmental Health and Safety Officer Clemson University 261 P&AS Building Clemson, SC 29634-5740 (864)656-7554 Fax (864)656-7630 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 12:57:19 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Mike hinz Subject: Re: Ventilation for chemical storage rooms Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Because most of the vapors you are trying to eliminate are heavier than air. It might be prudent to exhaust from floor level. Mike Hinz Chemistry Dept. Washington State University At 03:32 PM 6/16/99 -0400, you wrote: > At my suggestion, the chemistry dept. re-established a chemical stockroom >for research chemicals about three years ago. The labs were (many still >are) full of chemicals (floors, benchtops, crammed onto shelves and into >drawers). However, once they began bringing these chemicals down to the >stockroom, the odors in the stockroom became quite unpleasant and the >stockroom manager requested that no more chemicals be brought in until the >ventilation problems in the building were corrected. (There are certainly >issues of secondary containers, adequate capping, etc. where procedures are >not being followed in the storage of these chemicals, as well...)That was >about two and a half years ago, and we're still working on getting the >ventilation problems corrected (sound familiar?) Anyway, funds have been >approved and should be available next month for the ventilation "fix". >The air exchange rate of the room is 6/hour now, however, a hood is the >only exhaust outlet with air being supplied from one duct on the side of >the room. The engineers have proposed installing some additional ceiling >exhaust grilles around the room. Since there are no "occupants" in this >room and tall shelves lining the room, it is assumed that the fact that >room air is not being thoroughly mixed is most of the problem. I have an >opportunity at this time to request that the air exchange rate be >increased, but I would have to provide a good argument for this. In the >absence of specific requirements, guidelines of 4-12 air changes per hour >usually means you get the minimum if facilities makes the decision (they're >covering the costs on this one). If the air is thoroughly mixed, >increasing the exchange rate would result in very little gain at the >expense of loss of tempered air, however, it seems to me that achieving a >through mixing of air is this type of room is difficult and may require >more than a few more exhaust ducts. >Any thoughts/suggestion? > > > > > >Naomi Kelly >Environmental Health and Safety Officer >Clemson University >261 P&AS Building >Clemson, SC 29634-5740 >(864)656-7554 >Fax (864)656-7630 > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 13:15:00 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Nick Spare Subject: Re: Ventilation for chemical storage rooms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was at a seminar recently where one of the presenters showed animated "slides" of computer modelled air-flows in rooms with shelves etc. Whatever the computer program was, it showed very clearly how dead-air pockets form and where they are located. Try asking your engineering (or architecture) dept. whether they have such a tool. Nick Spare Pilot Chemical -----Original Message----- From: Naomi Kelly To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU Date: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 12:34 PM Subject: Ventilation for chemical storage rooms > At my suggestion, the chemistry dept. re-established a chemical stockroom >for research chemicals about three years ago. The labs were (many still >are) full of chemicals (floors, benchtops, crammed onto shelves and into >drawers). However, once they began bringing these chemicals down to the >stockroom, the odors in the stockroom became quite unpleasant and the >stockroom manager requested that no more chemicals be brought in until the >ventilation problems in the building were corrected. (There are certainly >issues of secondary containers, adequate capping, etc. where procedures are >not being followed in the storage of these chemicals, as well...)That was >about two and a half years ago, and we're still working on getting the >ventilation problems corrected (sound familiar?) Anyway, funds have been >approved and should be available next month for the ventilation "fix". >The air exchange rate of the room is 6/hour now, however, a hood is the >only exhaust outlet with air being supplied from one duct on the side of >the room. The engineers have proposed installing some additional ceiling >exhaust grilles around the room. Since there are no "occupants" in this >room and tall shelves lining the room, it is assumed that the fact that >room air is not being thoroughly mixed is most of the problem. I have an >opportunity at this time to request that the air exchange rate be >increased, but I would have to provide a good argument for this. In the >absence of specific requirements, guidelines of 4-12 air changes per hour >usually means you get the minimum if facilities makes the decision (they're >covering the costs on this one). If the air is thoroughly mixed, >increasing the exchange rate would result in very little gain at the >expense of loss of tempered air, however, it seems to me that achieving a >through mixing of air is this type of room is difficult and may require >more than a few more exhaust ducts. >Any thoughts/suggestion? > > > > > >Naomi Kelly >Environmental Health and Safety Officer >Clemson University >261 P&AS Building >Clemson, SC 29634-5740 >(864)656-7554 >Fax (864)656-7630 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:49:29 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Jeff Rubin Subject: Cyanide crystals In-Reply-To: <199906161957.MAA26260@cheetah.it.wsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Howdy, I received an odd request for which I'm seeking advice. A former student is running a zoological field station in Central America. Her group has found an old glass container with a plastic top with some type of cyanide salts inside. She thinks it's NaCN or KCN but the label is incomplete, and is 5-10 years old. Their field station is not exactly state of the art, and she's wondering if something can be done to render the CN salts less harmful for disposal. Apparently it was brought down there at some point long ago for use in kill-jars (rather extreme, I'd say), and everyone is afraid of the stuff. They're thinking of digging a deep hole and burying the container - no one wants to carry it to a place where they can dispose of it. Fortunately this isn't part of UT, but I figured I'd try to help. It's ~ 300-700 ml of crystals; I'd estimate anywhere from 0.5 to 1 kg based on the info I have. I've advised her that CN salts can liberate HCN gas upon contact with atmospheric moisture (did I mention they're in a rain forest?), but the container seems sturdy and no one is about to open it just for fun. Any suggestions? Remember - no approved disposal facilities (not much in the way of regs either), not much in terms of chemicals. I recall that CN compounds can be oxidized, but I'm mostly familiar with medicinal procedures and cellular-level effects, and I'm not a chemist. Simple suggestions welcome. I have pointed out to the individual requesting help that she and her group should view this as an object lesson in chemical safety planning. Please reply to me directly (jrubin@mail.utexas.edu). Thanks, JNR Jeff Rubin, Asst. Dean for EHS College of Natural Sciences G2500 W.C. Hogg Building University of Texas at Austin Austin, TX 78712-1199 (512) 471-6176 (O) (512) 471-4998 (F) jrubin@mail.utexas.edu http://www.utexas.edu/cons/safety/ "The opinions of Dr. Rubin are not meant to offend anyone unless otherwise specified." ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:43:12 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Chang, Jim C" Subject: Re: Cyanide crystals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeff You might try adding the crystals to a base solution (e.g., 1M NaOH or KOH) and then adding household bleach to it to oxidize. Check with your chem department people for specifics. Standard disclaimer Jim C. -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Rubin [SMTP:jrubin@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU] Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 5:49 PM To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU Subject: Cyanide crystals Howdy, I received an odd request for which I'm seeking advice. A former student is running a zoological field station in Central America. Her group has found an old glass container with a plastic top with some type of cyanide salts inside. She thinks it's NaCN or KCN but the label is incomplete, and is 5-10 years old. Their field station is not exactly state of the art, and she's wondering if something can be done to render the CN salts less harmful for disposal. Apparently it was brought down there at some point long ago for use in kill-jars (rather extreme, I'd say), and everyone is afraid of the stuff. They're thinking of digging a deep hole and burying the container - no one wants to carry it to a place where they can dispose of it. Fortunately this isn't part of UT, but I figured I'd try to help. It's ~ 300-700 ml of crystals; I'd estimate anywhere from 0.5 to 1 kg based on the info I have. I've advised her that CN salts can liberate HCN gas upon contact with atmospheric moisture (did I mention they're in a rain forest?), but the container seems sturdy and no one is about to open it just for fun. Any suggestions? Remember - no approved disposal facilities (not much in the way of regs either), not much in terms of chemicals. I recall that CN compounds can be oxidized, but I'm mostly familiar with medicinal procedures and cellular-level effects, and I'm not a chemist. Simple suggestions welcome. I have pointed out to the individual requesting help that she and her group should view this as an object lesson in chemical safety planning. Please reply to me directly (jrubin@mail.utexas.edu). Thanks, JNR Jeff Rubin, Asst. Dean for EHS College of Natural Sciences G2500 W.C. Hogg Building University of Texas at Austin Austin, TX 78712-1199 (512) 471-6176 (O) (512) 471-4998 (F) jrubin@mail.utexas.edu http://www.utexas.edu/cons/safety/ "The opinions of Dr. Rubin are not meant to offend anyone unless otherwise specified." ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 08:40:51 +0800 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Martin Lindsay Subject: Re: Cyanide crystals In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I would suggest giving it to a local mineral laboratory for safe disposal. My preferred procedure would be to add a mild solution of sodium bicarbonate, in a bucket, in a ventilated fume hood, to dissolve the cyanide under alkaline conditions, then add excess of bleach, or liquid pool chlorine to oxidise the cyanide to cyanate, which may be safely washed into the sewer, but check if there are commercial chemical labs around who would take it off your hands. Alternatively try the local electroplaters, as they use cyanide in their processing, and may take it from you for disposal. Burying the jar is just putting the problem off for somebody else to discover later, with no warning. Martin At 04:49 16-06-99 -0500, you wrote: >Howdy, > >I received an odd request for which I'm seeking advice. A former student >is running a zoological field station in Central America. Her group has >found an old glass container with a plastic top with some type of cyanide >salts inside. She thinks it's NaCN or KCN but the label is incomplete, and >is 5-10 years old. Their field station is not exactly state of the art, >and she's wondering if something can be done to render the CN salts less >harmful for disposal. Apparently it was brought down there at some point >long ago for use in kill-jars (rather extreme, I'd say), and everyone is >afraid of the stuff. They're thinking of digging a deep hole and burying >the container - no one wants to carry it to a place where they can dispose >of it. Fortunately this isn't part of UT, but I figured I'd try to help. >It's ~ 300-700 ml of crystals; I'd estimate anywhere from 0.5 to 1 kg based >on the info I have. > >I've advised her that CN salts can liberate HCN gas upon contact with >atmospheric moisture (did I mention they're in a rain forest?), but the >container seems sturdy and no one is about to open it just for fun. Any >suggestions? Remember - no approved disposal facilities (not much in the >way of regs either), not much in terms of chemicals. I recall that CN >compounds can be oxidized, but I'm mostly familiar with medicinal >procedures and cellular-level effects, and I'm not a chemist. Simple >suggestions welcome. > >I have pointed out to the individual requesting help that she and her group >should view this as an object lesson in chemical safety planning. > >Please reply to me directly (jrubin@mail.utexas.edu). > >Thanks, > >JNR > > >Jeff Rubin, Asst. Dean for EHS >College of Natural Sciences G2500 >W.C. Hogg Building >University of Texas at Austin >Austin, TX 78712-1199 >(512) 471-6176 (O) >(512) 471-4998 (F) >jrubin@mail.utexas.edu >http://www.utexas.edu/cons/safety/ > >"The opinions of Dr. Rubin are not meant to offend anyone unless otherwise >specified." > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 07:56:49 -0400 Reply-To: dwarnow@cortland.cnyric.org Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Donald M. Warnow" Organization: cortland.cnyric.org Subject: Re: BIOHAZARDS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit New York doesn't require that you have a generator ID#, but you do have to fill out a tracking form, hire a licensed hauler ( or register yourself if you or someone in your group is going to take it) and make out an annual report. Lisa Gonzalez wrote: > > Some states require that you apply for a generator ID # for medical waste > (New York does not) > > You should look at OSHA 29CFR1030 (Bloodborne pathogen standard) > > Regulated waste as defined by 1030 means: > "liquid, semi-liquid blood or other potentially infectious materials; > contaminated items that would release blood or other potentially infectious > materials in a liquid, semi-liquid state if compressed; items that are caked > with dry blood or other potentially infectious materials and are capable of > releasing these materials during handling; contaminated sharps; and > pathological and microbiological wastes containing blood or other > potentially infectious materials." > > Good luck- > Lisa A. Gonzalez, NRCC-CHO > R&D Safety and Health Officer > lisa.gonzalez@pharma.com > > I have been asked to determine whether we need a permit of any type > to > handle biohazardous material. What would we need besides a hood for > biohazards? The materials are whole blood and plasma products. What > about > disposal etc.? PPE and training? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 08:02:04 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: PATRICIA BARKER Organization: Wabash College Subject: Re: Ventilation for chemical storage rooms In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990616143549.00a91520@mail.clemson.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Naomi, I had the same prob;em when I came to work here. I made all the shelves only high enough to be at a leave that can be reached by all - not all the way to the ceiling. Added an exhaust at floor level with one at about 6 feet. Have an air conditioner that runs year around to help move the vapors. I have to dedicated hood for opened lachyrmatory chemicals and one for corrosive chemicals. Of course, this rooms does not contain my flammables. Hope this helps. Pat ********************************************************************** Patricia Barker Barkerp@Wabash.edu Curator, Chemistry Department Phone 765-361-6207 Wabash College 301 West Wabash Ave Fax 765-361-6340 Crawfordsville, IN 47933 8:-) ********************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:28:55 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: stefan Subject: Re: Ventilation for chemical storage rooms In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990616143549.00a91520@mail.clemson.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT When we designed our new Chemistry building, we planned an "Archive" chemical storage room; in addition to a fume hood and general room exhaust, we also vented the cabinets for odor control and reduction of corrosive vapors. Stefan Wawzyniecki, CIH, NRCC-CHO University of Connecticut ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:41:33 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Nick Pinizzotto Subject: Fw: [liaisons]: FW: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="openmail-part-063d3f55-00000001" --openmail-part-063d3f55-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Fw:" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Fw:" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is an question that was forwarded to me. Would anyone like to help John Hauser at Nebraska Health System? Nick Pinizzotto Environmental Health Officer Dept. Environmental Health & Safety Thomas Jefferson University nick.pinizzotto@mail.tju.edu 215-503-5853 --openmail-part-063d3f55-00000001 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:54:42 -0400 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Subject: Fw: [liaisons]: FW: MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: Jolene#f#Shaw/internet////////RFC-822/Jolene#f#Shaw#a#mail#f#tju#f#edu@hpmail1 From: "Jolene Shaw" TO: Nick.Pinizzotto@mail.tju.edu Content-Type: multipart/Mixed; boundary="openmail-part-063d3f55-00000002" --openmail-part-063d3f55-00000002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Fw:" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Fw:" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nick please handle thanks jolene --openmail-part-063d3f55-00000002 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:54:59 -0400 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Subject: Fw: [liaisons]: FW: MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: Jolene#f#Shaw/internet////////RFC-822/Jolene#f#Shaw#a#mail#f#tju#f#edu@hpmail1 From: "Susan S. Miller" TO: Jolene.Shaw@mail.tju.edu Content-Type: multipart/Mixed; boundary="openmail-part-063d3f55-00000003" --openmail-part-063d3f55-00000003 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Fw:" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jolene This is an interesting inquiry from a UHC member. I'd appreciate your r= esponding. Thank you Susan =2D---- Original Message ----- =20 From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 10:22 AM Subject: [liaisons]: FW: Please distribute to your appropriate safety staff. Responses should b= e addressed to John Hauser as indicated in the message. Thanks in advance= =2E > -----Original Message----- > From: Hauser, John =20 > Sent: Monday, June 14, 1999 5:49 PM > To: Paulsen, Terry > Subject: =20 > =20 > Terry: Please forward this request to the University Hospital Consort= ium. > =20 > =20 > We are working with a group of hospitals in our community to develop p= lans > to decontaminate and treat victims of Nuclear, Biological and Chemical= > Terrorism. Does any facility have plans they would be willing to sha= re > or information on decontaminating people especially in cold climates? > John M. Hauser > Manager > Safety Operations > Nebraska Health System > 987465 Nebraska Medical Center > Omaha, NE 68198-7465 > EMAIL: Jhauser@nhsnet.org > Phone (402) 559-7315 > Fax (402) 559-2086 > --openmail-part-063d3f55-00000003 Content-Type: text/plain;name="[liaisons].txt" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="[liaisons].txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please distribute to your appropriate safety staff. Responses should b= e addressed to John Hauser as indicated in the message. Thanks in advance= =2E > -----Original Message----- > From: Hauser, John =20 > Sent: Monday, June 14, 1999 5:49 PM > To: Paulsen, Terry > Subject: =09 > =20 > Terry: Please forward this request to the University Hospital Consort= ium. > =20 > =20 > We are working with a group of hospitals in our community to develop p= lans > to decontaminate and treat victims of Nuclear, Biological and Chemical= > Terrorism. Does any facility have plans they would be willing to sha= re > or information on decontaminating people especially in cold climates? > John M. Hauser > Manager > Safety Operations > Nebraska Health System > 987465 Nebraska Medical Center > Omaha, NE 68198-7465 > EMAIL: Jhauser@nhsnet.org > Phone (402) 559-7315 > Fax (402) 559-2086 > --openmail-part-063d3f55-00000003-- --openmail-part-063d3f55-00000002-- --openmail-part-063d3f55-00000001-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:12:43 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Gordon Miller Subject: Re: Ventilation for chemical storage rooms In-Reply-To: <199906161957.MAA26260@cheetah.it.wsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plai