========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 06:17:23 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Labsafe@AOL.COM Subject: Welcome to New NACHO Members MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi NACHOs For the past week, I've been working to add about 50 new members to our organization/discussion list. The response to a recent announcement was impressive to say the least. Sorry about the delays.... So, I want to say a public welcome to all the new NACHO member. And, I want to encourage the newcomers to take a moment to introduce themselves to their new colleagues. If you are not a new member, but you've been lurking for a while, how about saying hello to everyone with a brief introduction. Remember, you can access the list archives at the LSW web site (see NACHO). Have fun, be kind, encourage lab safety. ... jim ***************************************************** James A. Kaufman, Director The Laboratory Safety Workshop Safety in Science Education 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 labsafe@aol.com http://www.labsafety.org/ LSW is a national non-profit educational organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and important part of science education. Free copies of our Laboratory Safety Guidelines, seminar schedule, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, and membership information are available on request. The LABSAFETY-L discussion list is a public service of LSW. ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 07:34:29 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Tayman, Tammy" Subject: Re: Grounding Large Solvent Containers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > -----Original Message----- > From: Labsafe@AOL.COM [mailto:Labsafe@AOL.COM] > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 1999 8:47 PM > To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU > Subject: Re: Grounding Large Solvent Containers > > > In a message dated 99-09-30 09:20:04 EDT, you write: > > << I looked in Prudent Practices, and couldn't find anything > specific. >> > > > Did you look on Page 60 in the first edition? ... Jim > If it is so important, why do we have to go back to the first edition? Why did it get dropped? And since when are we supposed to go by outdated sources? I should think that would open up a rather large bag of worms when we look at the way things have changed in other sections of Prudent Practices. Tammy Tayman ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 07:57:51 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Julie O'Brien Subject: Grounding Large Solvent Containers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01BF0BE2.A94A5A80" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BF0BE2.A94A5A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable NFPA 45 says "Class I liquids shall not be transferred between = conductive containers of greater than 4L (1.1 gal) capacity unless the = containers are electrically interconnected by direct bonding or by = indirect bonding through a common grounding system. When dispensing = Class I liquids involves nonconductive containers larger than 4 L (1.1 = gal), which can be difficult to bond or ground, special dispensing = procedures commensurate with the electrical characteristics of the = liquid shall be developed and implemented." I'm sure you can find a similar reference in NFPA 30. There's also a grounding procedure in the National Electrical Code. (I = don't have the reference.) I found several references to grounding in Prudent Practices (1995 = editon). Look under grounding in the index. Julie O'Brien afn35210@afn.org ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BF0BE2.A94A5A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
NFPA 45 says "Class I liquids = shall not be=20 transferred between conductive containers of greater than 4L (1.1 gal) = capacity=20 unless the containers are electrically interconnected by direct bonding = or by=20 indirect bonding through a common grounding system. When dispensing = Class I=20 liquids involves nonconductive containers larger than 4 L (1.1 gal), = which can=20 be difficult to bond or ground, special dispensing procedures = commensurate with=20 the electrical characteristics of the liquid shall be developed and=20 implemented."
 
I'm sure you can find a similar reference in NFPA=20 30.
 
There's also a grounding procedure in the National = Electrical=20 Code. (I don't have the reference.)
 
I found several references to grounding in Prudent = Practices=20 (1995 editon). Look under grounding in the index.
 
Julie O'Brien
afn35210@afn.org
  ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BF0BE2.A94A5A80-- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 08:32:08 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Robert Burns Subject: Re: Grounding Large Solvent Containers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I threw out my first ed. and just have the second. "Semper Adventurus!" Robert L. Burns Group Leader, R&D RUETGERS Organics Corporation Email rburns@ruetgers-organics-corp.com Phone 814 231 9214 Fax 815 333 4805 -----Original Message----- From: Labsafe@AOL.COM [mailto:Labsafe@AOL.COM] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 1999 20:47 To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU Subject: Re: Grounding Large Solvent Containers In a message dated 99-09-30 09:20:04 EDT, you write: << I looked in Prudent Practices, and couldn't find anything specific. >> Did you look on Page 60 in the first edition? ... Jim ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 08:35:26 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Robert Burns Subject: Re: Grounding Large Solvent Containers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well said, Tammy. My thoughts exactly, but expressed better than I could have. "Semper Adventurus!" Robert L. Burns Group Leader, R&D RUETGERS Organics Corporation Email rburns@ruetgers-organics-corp.com Phone 814 231 9214 Fax 815 333 4805 -----Original Message----- From: Tayman, Tammy [mailto:ttayman@MC.CC.MD.US] Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 7:34 To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU Subject: Re: Grounding Large Solvent Containers > -----Original Message----- > From: Labsafe@AOL.COM [mailto:Labsafe@AOL.COM] > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 1999 8:47 PM > To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU > Subject: Re: Grounding Large Solvent Containers > > > In a message dated 99-09-30 09:20:04 EDT, you write: > > << I looked in Prudent Practices, and couldn't find anything > specific. >> > > > Did you look on Page 60 in the first edition? ... Jim > If it is so important, why do we have to go back to the first edition? Why did it get dropped? And since when are we supposed to go by outdated sources? I should think that would open up a rather large bag of worms when we look at the way things have changed in other sections of Prudent Practices. Tammy Tayman ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:12:50 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "L. James Stock III" <34EMQ6K@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Subject: Re: Disposal costs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Drummed Waste Disposal Costs: Nonhalogenated High BTU Solvents 90.00/55 gal drum Halogenated Solvent Waste (10% halogens or more) 110.00/drum Nonhalogenated LOW BTU Solvent Waste 1,260/drum Heavy Metal Solutions 1,920/drum If Mercury present 6,900/drum Radioactive waste (low level) 40,000/drum ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:07:34 -0400 Reply-To: "edmiston@bluffton.edu" Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Michael Edmiston Organization: Bluffton College Subject: Re: Grounding Large Solvent Containers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you, Julie O'Brien, for pointing us to NFPA 45. That pretty much sums up, in a very short space, the correct situation. I like three things about NFPA 45. (1) It is exactly correct. Notice the emphasis is on BONDING... getting an electrical path between the dispenser and receiver. Two ways are given for doing this: (a) DIRECT BONDING (which requires a wire between the containers, but does not require grounding), (b) INDIRECT BONDING through a ground system (which requires BOTH the dispenser and receiver to be grounded, but does not require any bonding wire between the two). This is exactly what I have been trying to say. (2) It points out that this requirement is difficult with non-conductive containers. (3) It gives guidance about the size of containers above which we need to worry about this. It is unfortunate they don't give examples of "special procedures commensurate....," for non-conductive containers. They probably figure this is not their job. Their job is simply to tell you that you must have an electrical path for the separated charge to travel safely between the dispenser and receiver. You figure out how to do that. Michael D. Edmiston, Ph.D. Phone/voice-mail: 419-358-3270 Professor of Chemistry & Physics FAX: 419-358-3323 Chairman, Science Department E-Mail edmiston@bluffton.edu Bluffton College 280 West College Avenue Bluffton, OH 45817 -----Original Message----- From: Julie O'Brien [SMTP:afn35210@AFN.ORG] Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 7:58 AM To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU Subject: Grounding Large Solvent Containers NFPA 45 says "Class I liquids shall not be transferred between conductive containers of greater than 4L (1.1 gal) capacity unless the containers are electrically interconnected by direct bonding or by indirect bonding through a common grounding system. When dispensing Class I liquids involves nonconductive containers larger than 4 L (1.1 gal), which can be difficult to bond or ground, special dispensing procedures commensurate with the electrical characteristics of the liquid shall be developed and implemented." I'm sure you can find a similar reference in NFPA 30. There's also a grounding procedure in the National Electrical Code. (I don't have the reference.) I found several references to grounding in Prudent Practices (1995 editon). Look under grounding in the index. Julie O'Brien afn35210@afn.org ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:20:57 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Mary L. Turgeon" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01BF0BF6.A685A520" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BF0BF6.A685A520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BF0BF6.A685A520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BF0BF6.A685A520-- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:14:58 -0600 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Stockroom Manager Subject: Re: Disposal costs Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Jim, By "low level radioactive waste" would that include absorbent materials use to clean up a small spill? ---------- >From: "L. James Stock III" <34EMQ6K@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> >To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU >Subject: Re: Disposal costs >Date: Fri, Oct 1, 1999, 8:12 AM > >Drummed Waste Disposal Costs: >Nonhalogenated High BTU Solvents 90.00/55 gal drum >Halogenated Solvent Waste (10% halogens or more) 110.00/drum >Nonhalogenated LOW BTU Solvent Waste 1,260/drum >Heavy Metal Solutions 1,920/drum >If Mercury present 6,900/drum >Radioactive waste (low level) 40,000/drum ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:46:57 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Jeff Rubin Subject: Bomb threats and tornadoes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Good questions about some of the broader aspects of safety that often end up in the laps of already-understaffed EHS departments. Both hazards mentioned (bomb threats and tornadoes) are legitimate concerns requiring a common step: PLANNING. Bomb-threats: yes, speak with your local law enforcement agency to see how they'd like things handled. Walk-throughs before incidents are nice, not just for bomb techs but fire departments as well. A few points on this topic: - When the fire alarm sounds, lock the doors on the way out (don't create risk by evacuating and leaving areas open to theft). Bomb threats are different - this is a security issue and there will likely be a security perimeter established if the threat is determined to warrant evacuation. In this case, locking doors isn't necessary and may hinder operations, as I think someone pointed out. - Keep in mind that a bomb threat doesn't always require evacuation. Most law enforcement agencies (LEAs) will work with you to help you determine the best way to manage these, but terroristic threats are always assessed on the basis of credibility among other considerations. I'm part of a group that has been dealing with issues like this for several years, and philosophy has changed. Just as we don't automatically respond everyone to every anthrax threat (hint: if the note says "anthracks" it just might be a hoax), we don't always send a big response to every bomb threat. LEAs know that employees can recognize out-of-place items easier than police officers unfamiliar with the building can, and they'll try to take advantage of that. Given that this is a public list, I think I'll leave it at that. Bottom line, talk to your local LEA; if you have campus police, they should be involved; even if you only have internal (i.e., non-commissioned) security, they should be brought into the discussion along with physical plant/facilities. Tornadoes: again, work with your local response agencies and emergency-management officials. There are simple reinforcing kits for interior rooms (think of it as the modern version of the home bomb shelter) that'll be effective in all but the worst storms. Hint: probably best not to make an area where chemicals are stored or used into a shelter, but you probably knew that already... Every institution should have a functional disaster plan, which starts with a hazard vulnerability analysis. What are the most likely hazards? What are the most severe (not always the most likely)? What are simple steps that can be taken to reduce risk? Are people in your institution aware of hazards and emergency procedures (i.e., do they know what to do when a tornado is roaring toward campus)? More basic concerns: how do you notify people on your campus that there's an incident? How do you identify necessary responders who don't wear uniforms? Most institutions have no functional plan. It's not if, it's when... I have a little more knowledge and experience in emergency planning and response than I do in lab safety (not difficult): most folks are flat-out unprepared. (Anyone looking for a consultant?) Onward, JNR Jeff Rubin jrubin@mail.utexas.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:17:01 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Mark Yanchisin Subject: Re: Bomb threats MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Greetings- I agree with all the info about bomb threats, i.e.- the security issues and dealing with local authorities. Ask them for guidance with what they want you to do. Our local responders have requested that we ask the building occupants if they saw anything out of place. The authorities will not know your building or its contents and will need to trust the building occupants for hints fi they do a search. In a bomb threat situation, have the staff do a quick look around to see if there is something unexplainable, such as an abandoned box or briefcase or backpack. "Unexplainable" would mean that no one remembers anyone with the backpack or briefcase or not signing for the UPS box. We also have a 2 page info sheet, that I believe originated from the FBI, but was passed to us by the local and campus police departments. We have the person who took the call complete the form ASAP while they have a fresh memory and give it to the local police responders. It contains questions to ask the caller (if they remember about it during the call) and requests info about the caller's voice, demeanor, background noises etc. We also isolate the phone the call came in on, as the number can be traced to the phone used to make the call via caller ID and autocall back systems. The police do this- not the building staff!!! Just my thoughts and additions. Mark Yanchisin Coordinator for Clinical and Lab Safety Programs University of Florida Env. Health and Safety PO Box 112195 Building 104 Gainesville, FL 32611-2195 352-392-1591 (T) 352-392-3414 (F) Mark@ehs.ufl.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:30:12 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Sharon Reed Subject: Re: Bomb threats and tornadoes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I hope, also, that those of you who represent facilities and who have an active LEPC (Local Emergency Planning Committee) in your county are participating in that LEPC. The LEPC should be the focus for planning of such threats, coordinating all local groups from Police, Fire, and EMS to hospitals, service groups, schools, and industries. Here's a webpage for more information......... http://www.lepcnet.org/lepc/webpage/webpage.html Sharon Reed Safety Officer Pall Corporation Cortland NY 13045 Sharon_Reed@pall.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:16:25 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Russ Phifer Subject: Re: Disposal costs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David - I believe, depending on the number of drums of each, you would be looking at approximately $100 for the cyclohexane , $150 for the halogenated hydrocarbons, and between $90 (non-RCRA hazardous) and $200 (RCRA hazardous) for the inorganic salts in aqueous solution. Transportation costs, depending on quantity and/or distance to the TSDF, could be between $30 and $100/drum. Russ Phifer WC Environmental, LLC On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 19:50:21 -0400 "David C. Finster" writes: > Colleagues, > > In a presentation about lab wastes that we do for our students in > general > chemistry, we try to illustrate the wisdom of 1) making certain that > all > wastes are clearly identified, and 2) that wastes should not be > indiscriminately mixed. To emphasize the points, we like to show > the > approximate costs of dealing with 3 different 55 gallon drums of > materials. > As examples, "Drum 1 contains distilled cyclohexane," "Drum 2 > contains a > mixture of low MW, halogenated hydrocarbons," and "Drum 3 is > unlabelled, > but believed to contain a mixture of various inorganic salts of > varying > solubility in water." Without getting distracted by too many > variables, > can anyone give me "illustrative" or "reasonable" estimate for the > costs of > disposal of these three drums? > > Thanks. > > Dave > - > ******************************* > David C. Finster > Professor and Chair, Department of Chemistry > University Chemical Hygiene Officer > Wittenberg University > http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/dfinster/index.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:08:12 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Mueller, Jeff" Subject: Position Available at Amgen, Inc.: Lab Safety Specialist Comments: To: "LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU" , "radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Amgen, the world's largest independent biotechnology company, has a position for a Lab Safety Specialist in its Thousand Oaks, CA, office. Job Description: Provide support to laboratory management and staff to help them facilitate, assess, and promote safe and healthy working conditions in laboratory areas. Recommend measures to reduce or eliminate accidents and health hazards in compliance with state, federal and local regulations. Requirements: Typically 3-5 years of related laboratory safety experience in a university or bio-pharmaceutical research environment or the combination of education and or experience. Strong interpersonal skills. Ability to communicate clearly and effectively (both in writing and orally) with highly educated research and managerial staff. Good organizational skills. Computer literacy and a working knowledge of word processing, spreadsheet, Internet, and database applications. BS Degree in biology, chemistry, safety, engineering, or an equivalent field. The Job Identification Number for this position is: 99-0001180 Please send resume with salary requirements to me at the address below. Thanks, Jeff ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Jeff Mueller, PE, CHP Manager, Laboratory Safety AMGEN, INC. One Amgen Center Drive, 10-2-A Thousand Oaks, CA 91320-1799 USA 805/447-1992 (Voice) 805/498-8887 (Fax) 805/359-5493 (Pager) jmueller@amgen.com ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 16:05:39 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "L. James Stock III" <34EMQ6K@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Subject: Re: Disposal costs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I DON'T KNOW. I am not the Rad officer. I only handle hazardous waste of the non-radioactive nature. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:57:43 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Teresa Robertson Subject: Re: Perchloric Acid Comments: cc: trobertson@csubak.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit LABSAFETY-L@siu.edu,.internet writes: >Although most lab-concentrations of perchloric are very nasty to >biological >tissue, I'll assume you're referring to perchloric acid hoods. We require >specialty hoods for heated perchloric or any temperature perchloric at >concentrations > 72%. Does this mean that if I am making 0.1 and 0.5 N solutions of perchloric acid in water, at room temp, from 70% that I do not need a specialty hood for perchloric in which to make the dilutions? Teresa Robertson CSUB ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 20:49:28 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Labsafe@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Unsubscribing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi NACHOs, If you decide you wish to "resign" from the association, the "resignation" directions are at the LSW web site on the NACHO pages. ... jim ***************************************************** James A. Kaufman, Director The Laboratory Safety Workshop Safety in Science Education 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 Cell: 508-574-6264 Email: labsafe@aol.com Web Site: http://www.labsafety.org/ ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 08:19:37 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Mike Dougherty Subject: Welcome. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005A_01BF0CAE.DDC9DCA0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01BF0CAE.DDC9DCA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A short note to say hi to all and have a great day. =20 I recently became a member of the Association. Great idea. =20 I use the CCOHS Safety Net a lot. A good site, but information = exchanged is wide ranging. This network should provide specific = information on Chemical Safety issues. I am a Canadian Registered Safety Professional presently working in = Guelph, Ontario Canada. I have about 15 years experience in safety, health and environmemnt in = Chemical, Manufacturing, Government and Health Care settings. My degree = in H&S Administration was obtained in the Great State of California. Self employed I operate MD SAFETY SERVICES. I look forard to talking with you and exchanging ideas and comments. Take care now and smile, makes people wonder what you've been up to... = and that's great. Red =20 ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01BF0CAE.DDC9DCA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A short note to say hi to all and = have a great=20 day.  
 
I recently became a member of the=20 Association.  Great idea.  
 
I use the CCOHS Safety Net a = lot.  A good=20 site, but information exchanged is wide ranging. This network should = provide specific=20 information on Chemical Safety issues.
 
I am a Canadian Registered Safety = Professional=20 presently working in Guelph, Ontario Canada.
 
I have about 15 years experience in = safety,=20 health and environmemnt in Chemical, Manufacturing, Government and = Health Care=20 settings.  My degree in H&S Administration was obtained in the Great State of=20 California.
 
Self employed I operate MD SAFETY = SERVICES.
 
I look forard to talking with you and exchanging = ideas and=20 comments.
 
Take care now and smile,  makes people wonder = what you've=20 been up to... and that's great.
 
Red
 
------=_NextPart_000_005A_01BF0CAE.DDC9DCA0-- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 06:11:28 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Comments: RFC822 error: MESSAGE-ID field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. From: Harry Elston Subject: Re: Perchloric Acid Comments: To: Teresa_Robertson@FIRSTCLASS1.CSUBAK.EDU In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:57 PM 10/1/99 -0700, you wrote: >LABSAFETY-L@siu.edu,.internet writes: >>Although most lab-concentrations of perchloric are very nasty to >>biological >>tissue, I'll assume you're referring to perchloric acid hoods. We require >>specialty hoods for heated perchloric or any temperature perchloric at >>concentrations > 72%. > >Does this mean that if I am making 0.1 and 0.5 N solutions of perchloric >acid in water, at room temp, from 70% that I do not need a specialty hood >for perchloric in which to make the dilutions? > >Teresa Robertson >CSUB Correct. Perchloric acid is not a fuming acid, and becomes "very nasty" (i.e. a powerful oxidizer) at temperatures above about 60-70 C. Dilute solutions have less "punch" at elevated temperatures, but can still be potent oxidizers. (I've used dilute solutions for wet oxidation experiments to extract radiocarbon from contaminated groundwater). Dilutions can be done on a bench (it's non-fuming) or in a normal hood. Digestions in a perchloric acid hood (only and always) with an operable washdown system. PPE, etc. always applies. Harry Harry J. Elston, Ph.D., NRCC-CHO Editor, Chemical Health and Safety Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bares a very close resemblance to the first. --- Ronald Reagan ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 08:05:08 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Martin Besant Subject: Oct 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oct 1 post looked interesting. Then the background went black with only one message printed in green (the solvent container grounding) Is it my system, or is someone tinkering with the colors? Please don't Marty Besant ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:17:37 +0300 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Poulose, John V" Subject: Re: Perchloric Acid MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I thought it was appropriate to add one more safety note about working with Perchloric acid. When materials like hydrocarbon sludge or corrosion products containing organic / resinous matter are digested with Conc:Perchloric acid, there is a possibility of fire and explosion towards incipient dryness, in the absence of sufficient Nitric acid. To avoid this, maintain a typical ratio of Perchloric to Nitric ratio at 1:3. We deal with this kind of stuff in our Petroleum Analytical Lab for metallic composition analysis using ICP-MS. Just wanted to share my personal experience with those interested. John Poulos/ Lab Scientist/ Ras Tanura Refinery Lab/ ARAMCO/ Saudi Arabia e: poulosvj@aramco.com.sa -----Original Message----- From: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List [mailto:LABSAFETY-L@siu.edu] On Behalf Of Harry Elston Sent: 03 October 1999 14:11 To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU Subject: Re: Perchloric Acid At 02:57 PM 10/1/99 -0700, you wrote: >LABSAFETY-L@siu.edu,.internet writes: >>Although most lab-concentrations of perchloric are very nasty to >>biological >>tissue, I'll assume you're referring to perchloric acid hoods. We require >>specialty hoods for heated perchloric or any temperature perchloric at >>concentrations > 72%. > >Does this mean that if I am making 0.1 and 0.5 N solutions of perchloric >acid in water, at room temp, from 70% that I do not need a specialty hood >for perchloric in which to make the dilutions? > >Teresa Robertson >CSUB Correct. Perchloric acid is not a fuming acid, and becomes "very nasty" (i.e. a powerful oxidizer) at temperatures above about 60-70 C. Dilute solutions have less "punch" at elevated temperatures, but can still be potent oxidizers. (I've used dilute solutions for wet oxidation experiments to extract radiocarbon from contaminated groundwater). Dilutions can be done on a bench (it's non-fuming) or in a normal hood. Digestions in a perchloric acid hood (only and always) with an operable washdown system. PPE, etc. always applies. Harry Harry J. Elston, Ph.D., NRCC-CHO Editor, Chemical Health and Safety Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bares a very close resemblance to the first. --- Ronald Reagan ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 13:51:30 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Labsafe@AOL.COM Subject: Commercial - Save 20% on "Prudent Practices" Comments: To: Safety , Safe-NZ@niwa.cri.nz, nsela-l@science.coe.uwf.edu, NAOSMM@listserv.rice.edu, hs-canada@ccohs.ca, dchas-l@siu.edu, chemlab_L@vax1.bemidji.msus.edu, chemed-l@atlantis.uwf.edu, biosafty@mitvma.mit.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Prudent Practices in the Laboratory", second edition, National Academy Press, 1995 is available at the LSW web site for a limited time at 20% off the publisher's list price. List price is $69.95. Now $56.00. This is one of the indespensible lab safety reference books and really should be part of every science department's collection. The first edition was the basis for the model chemical hygiene plan (appendix A) in the OSHA lab standard. ***************************************************** James A. Kaufman, Director The Laboratory Safety Workshop Safety in Science Education 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 Cell: 508-574-6264 Email: labsafe@aol.com Web Site: http://www.labsafety.org/ ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:46:25 +0800 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Winston Longue Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" set Labsafety nomail ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------- Winston Longue Safety Officer mcbwel@imcb.nus.edu.sg Institute of Molecular and Cell Biology 30 Medical Drive, Singapore 117609 Tel: (65)-874-7888 ; Fax: (65)-779-1117 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 06:52:52 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Labsafe@AOL.COM Subject: Re: NoMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi NACHOs Remember, the discussion list (labsafety-l) has two email addresses. This one is only for messages which you would like distributed to our 750 members. The other address (listserv@siu.edu) is for commands to change the way you receive the messages or information about the list itself and its command structure. So, requesting NOMAIL should go to the latter with the full name of the list... set labsafety-l nomail Regards, ... Jim ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 06:52:58 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Labsafe@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Close Calls and Near Misses Comments: To: CHEMLAB_L@vax1.bemidji.msus.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for sharing that one, Chris. There have been several serius mishaps with the thermite reaction/demo. The two most significant were that on where Stephen Zumdahl had an open house for 300 elementary and secondary students. 27 students were sent to the hospital when they use water instead of sand to catch to molton metal. No shield was used. In Denver, Lloyd Hendricks, a physics teacher at Washington High School, injured five students and blew off his hand in front of the class. He apparently mistakenly poured the thermite starter mixture into a crucible that was still hot from buring magnesium in it. No shield was used. ... jim In a message dated 99-10-04 01:07:44 EDT, you write: << Subj: Re: Close Calls and Near Misses Date: 99-10-04 01:07:44 EDT From: CElhardt@aol.com Reply-to: CHEMLAB_L@VAX1.BEMIDJI.MSUS.EDU To: CHEMLAB_L@vax1.bemidji.msus.edu >Hi CHEMLABs, >Does anyone on the list have a story about a close call or near miss >concerning a chem lab or demo that they can share with the group? ... Jim 1966. Mr. "N's" second year of teaching, and he decided to lobby for a second year chemistry class. On the first day he's up front saying "What, you've never seen a thermite reaction?", whereupon he lights a magnesium wire sticking out of a mound of gray powder in a crucible sitting on about 5 sheets of asbestos. A blinding flash. Chunks of broken crucible and molten iron flying past uncomprehending students. A hole burned clean to the lab bench through as many as 5 asbestos pads. A burn spot on the ceiling. It was a wonderful demo. >> ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 10:56:55 -0400 Reply-To: wessonl@co.oakland.mi.us Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Larry Wesson Organization: Oakland County Michigan Subject: Re: Bomb threat procedures MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tayman, Tammy wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Geoffrey White [mailto:gwhite@JJC.CC.IL.US] > > > > We had a bomb threat at our campus last week. In the > > debriefing session, > > it was mentioned that after we had made sure everyone was out of the > > building, that we should leave the doors open so that > > authorized personnel > > (fire, police, etc.) could more easily access spaces. Is > > this really a > > good idea? > > > > In years past we went through so many bomb scares in one semester that > security stopped notifying anyone that we had another threat. The usually > showed up arond the time of exams, midterms and finals. We never had an > actual bomb in the building at that time. > > These days, however, they tend to take such things more seriously. They > sound the fire alarm to evacuate the building quickly and while they are > making sure the building is empty, I make sure that everything is off in the > labs and all doors are unlocked. On the occassions that they have actually > brought in the bomb dogs, I have escorted them through the labs, making sure > that the dog is not exposed to anything that might compromise his health or > his nose. When the building was declared "clean", I went through and > resecured everything before anyone else was let back in. > > It was quite interesting and educational. > > Tammy Tayman Tammy, how do you know the fire alarm is not indicating a fire? You could possibly be entering a room that's on fire. Most states have laws against using a fire alarm for other than a fire. I know all national standards require the fire alarm to be used only for fire. Just food for thought. Larry Wesson, Chief Oakland County Michigan Fire & Security ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:17:30 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Madelyn Miller Subject: Re: Perchloric Acid In-Reply-To: <89AA394C3F6BD211A04A0000F64A7FF1B6CF12@ntrtpmx14.rtn.aramco.com.sa> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Greetings, What about heat of dilution with perchloric acid? (Don't have a CRC handy) Our rule is that perchloric acid can be used in a normal hood as long as the process is at ambient temperature or below. If the process heats up on it's own then it needs to be used in a washdown hood. ---------------------- Madelyn Miller Director & Chemical Hygiene Officer Environmental Health & Safety Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA 15213 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:52:13 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: James Kapin Subject: Job Posting - Lab Safety at UCSD Comments: To: SAFETY@LIST.UVM.EDU, IH-LIST@lists.aiha.org, BIOSAFTY@MITVMA.MIT.EDU, uc-ehs@ucdavis.edu, uclabsafe@ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, and apologies for any cross-posting - UC San Diego, located in La Jolla California, is hiring an EH&S Specialist 1. Primary responsibilities include lab safety surveys, HazCom and Lab Safety training. Salary is from $41,900 - $52,300. Announcement with application instructions is at http://joblink.ucsd.edu/bulletin/tech_jobs.html#118026. DO NOT SEND APPLICATION MATERIALS TO ME - all applications must go through HR. Reply to me off the list (jkapin@ucsd.edu) for any questions or info - Jim Jim Kapin, UCSD Chemical Safety Officer Mail Code 0920 9500 Gilman Drive, La Jolla CA 92093 (858)534-2823 fax (858)534-7982 mailto:jkapin@ucsd.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:19:36 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Tayman, Tammy" Subject: Re: Bomb threat procedures MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" After many years in fire and rescue, I guess I just assumed that everyone would check for signs of fire before opening a door in that sort of situation... For anybody out there who hasn't thought of it, please do. The first check is to look through any window in the door. The next is to check for smoke coming from under the door. The next would be to feel the temperature of the doorknob/door. Only then should one carefully open the door. And this, only after the appropriate authorities have been notified. Did I leave anything out? Tammy > -----Original Message----- > Tammy, how do you know the fire alarm is not indicating a fire? You > could possibly be entering a room that's on fire. Most states > have laws > against using a fire alarm for other than a fire. I know all national > standards require the fire alarm to be used only for fire. > > Just food for thought. > > Larry Wesson, Chief > Oakland County Michigan > Fire & Security > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:44:35 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Neal Langerman Comments: To: hs-canada@ccohs.ca, moon@adlibv.adelphi.edu, occ-env-med-l@list.mc.duke.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed ******************************************************************* NEAL LANGERMAN ADVANCED CHEMICAL SAFETY 8909 COMPLEX Dr. Ste C SAN DIEGO CA 92123 858 874 5577 858 874 8239 (FAX) http://www.chemical-safety.com Advanced Chemical Safety is the source for prevention of injury, illness or environmental insult! ******************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:06:59 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Don Abramowitz Subject: Re: Bomb threat procedures In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The national standard against using the fire alarm for non-fire evacuations seems to present a quandary. I tend to agree with Tammy on this. If the alarm were manually tripped for a non-fire reason, seems that odds are against encountering a fire behind a door, though it could certainly still happen. This brings to mind a dilemna we have faced in non-fire emergency evacuations on our humble campuses (or campi, as suggested by a fellow NACHO), where we used the fire alarm to facilitate the evacuation. We typically have just two public safety officers on per shift, and manually evacuating a large dorm or classroom building, door-by-door, is a daunting, time consuming task. Here are two non-fire scenarios for which we used the alarms, and about which I would appreciate comments: 1) A complaint about exhaust fumes with no apparent source, which, upon investigation, lead to the measurement of about 35 ppm of carbon monoxide thoughout a large area inside an office/classroom building. Not judged to be life threatening, but the lack of additional information made evacuating the buildilng seem like a good idea at the time. (Later, we found we had a fellow working diligently with a gasoline powered cut-off saw directly under an air intake.) 2) A "strong" natural gas odor in a dorm served as a late-night basis to evacuate the building via pull stations. Instrumentation to assess the severity was not immediately available. Turned out to be a pilot light out, but folks judged it as an immediate threat... My general sense is that it is reasonable for emergency responders to use the fire alarm, in the absence of another communication system, to evacuate a building when available information indicates a condition presenting an immediate threat to the occupants within. I'd especially appreciate comments about the second scenario, in that the fire alarm system itself could be a source of ignition during a major gas leak. After some debate on this, tentative consensus around here (including fire dept. input) was that the greater good is getting people out of a building quickly, as opposed to not getting them out quickly for fear of introducing an ignition source, with case-by-case judgment being the final arbiter. We're presuming that an assortment of ignition sources is already present, from various electrical devices under normal use, at the time of the alarm activation in this scenario. Feedback on this would be very helpful just now, since we are re-evaluating our procedures for responding to a gas leak. Generally, our procedures call for bringing in the gas company (and the fire dept. when things look serious), but there is a nagging discomfort in waiting for their arrival when there are a couple of hundred sleeping people in a building. Thanks very much, Don >After many years in fire and rescue, I guess I just assumed that everyone >would check for signs of fire before opening a door in that sort of >situation... >> Tammy, how do you know the fire alarm is not indicating a fire? I know >>all national >> standards require the fire alarm to be used only for fire. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:27:39 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: stefan Subject: Job Opportunities MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The Environmental Health & Safety department at the University of Connecticut is seeking three (3) Specialist 1 positions to provide programmatic support and maintain regulatory compliance in the areas of Biological, Chemical, & Occupational Safety, at the main campus & 6 regional campuses. The Biological Spec (Search # 00F-2) will conduct laboratory inspections, environmental sampling & analyses, & training. The Chemical Spec (Search # 00F-3) will conduct laboratory inspections with a strong focus on hazardous waste regulations. The Occupational Spec (Search # 00F-4 will provide oversight and support in the areas of asbestos, hazcom, PPE, & noise programs. Minimum qualifications: Bachelor's degree in pertinent scientific disciplin e; plus one year of related experience. Certifications will be beneficial; knowledge of applicable regulations; ability to effectively communicate with faculty, students, staff; strong computer skills; valid driver's license to operate university motor vehicles. These are permanent, full-time positions with full benefits. Please send a letter of application, resume, and the names of three professional references to: Environmental Health & Safety Specialist Search University of Connecticut 3102 HorseBarn Hill Rd, U-97 Storrs, CT 06269-4097 Stefan Wawzyniecki, CIH, NRCC-CHO Chemical Health & Safety ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:06:45 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Janeen LaPierre Subject: Use of Fire Alarm Systems for Evacuation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I was following this discussion with interest since we are in the process of up dating evacuations plans here on our campus(campi). We too, decided to use the fire alarm system as a means to communicate the urgent need to evacuate a building. We have no PA system. Not everyone is near a phone to take a call(you can enter voice mail hell here if your not careful). We have only 1 public safety officer on duty per shift. The fire alarm system seemed to be the only constant from building to building that everyone would hear(or see if deaf) to communicate the need to get out of a building quickly. Then I see the post from one of our colleagues who happens to be a fire chief. It caught my attention and obviously the attention of many of us on the list. How do other places clear a building in a quick, orderly fashion? How do you handle multiple buildings with a limited safety staff? How do you address the needs of those who can not easily vacate a building(wheel chairs)? These are just a few of the questions we thought we had answered by using the fire alarm system and putting into effect the evacuation plans we developed for fire emergencies. What are others out there doing? Janeen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Janeen M. Lapierre, CHO College of Osteopathic Medicine University of New England 11 Hills Beach Road Biddeford, ME 04005 Phone - (207)283-0170 x2446 Fax - (207)294-5931 JLaPierre@MAILBOX.UNE.EDU ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:29:00 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Naomi Kelly Subject: Fire Alarm Use for Evacuations Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" We use our fire alarms for evacuations other than fire emergencies--our fire department has no problem with this. Question for the fire chief who responded--Is this usually a jurisdictional call by the fire chief, or are we ignoring regulation? Naomi Kelly Environmental Health and Safety Officer Clemson University 261 P&AS Building Clemson, SC 29634-5740 (864)656-7554 Fax (864)656-7630 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:35:18 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Brian Wazlaw Subject: Re: Use of Fire Alarm Systems for Evacuation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A great person to contact concerning emergency planning is Len Wallace at the EPA in Boston 617 918 1835, e-mail, wallace.len@epa.gov. They have lots of info from FEMA, OSHA, and the Emergency Planning Center. Also, you might want to check school districts in your area. Some have developed extensice Crisis Management Plans. Good luck, Brian Wazlaw Exeter High School Exeter, NH ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:03:35 -0600 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Greene, Ben" Subject: Re: Use of Fire Alarm Systems for Evacuation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain 29 CFR 1910.38 (Employee Emergency Plans and Fire Prevention Plans) is short but to the point and I highly recommend it be referred to in the context of this discussion. Some emergency evacuation plans I have seen designate "local fire wardens" for an area. These individuals are employees with "an extra responsibility", trained by an on-site fire department, and have a hand-held radio and a red hard hat at their work areas. In the event of an emergency alarm, they do a quick check (within the umbrella of their training) of a specified area to ensure people have evacuated, shut doors, etc. They maintain communication with the fire department via radio then exit the building immediately after their check. In the event of a chemical release inside the building that poses an immediate threat to personnel outside an immediate confined area, the fire department is notified via emergency phone number, and an emergency PA overide announcement is made that all personnel must leave the building to their designated outdoor assembly areas. (I suppose bullhorns could be used in the absence of a PA system.) An emergency alarm is then activated (can be activated remotely by the fire department/hazmat team). Local fire wardens have no training in spill response and exit the building with the others, and the fire department/hazmat team are then in control. The local fire wardens are also responsible for the mandatory 1910.38 accounting for personnel after an evacuation. Rosters are usually used, and the fire chief/hazmat incident commander is notified of any unaccounted for persons. Some plans also have a provision for evacuation INTO a building, in the event of an outside chemical release. In this case, an outside alarm, different in tone from the inside emergency alarm, alerts personnel to go to a designated assembly area INSIDE a building. HVAC systems are shut down. Very important that people are trained not to initiate an indoor emergency alarm in this case. Same accounting procedures apply after the evacuation INTO the building. It is very important that people are taught the difference between various alarm tones and where their assembly areas (outdoor and indoor) are. Periodic drills and critiques thereof are essential to make sure these plans and the accounting procedures are working. Ben ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:24:02 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Mueller, Jeff" Subject: Position Available at Amgen.: Lab Safety Specialist MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Amgen, the world's largest independent biotechnology company, has a position for a Lab Safety Specialist in its Thousand Oaks, CA, office. Job Description: Provide support to laboratory management and staff to help them facilitate, assess, and promote safe and healthy working conditions in laboratory areas. Recommend measures to reduce or eliminate accidents and health hazards in compliance with state, federal and local regulations. Requirements: Typically 3-5 years of related laboratory safety experience in a university or bio-pharmaceutical research environment or the combination of education and or experience. Strong interpersonal skills. Ability to communicate clearly and effectively (both in writing and orally) with highly educated research and managerial staff. Good organizational skills. Computer literacy and a working knowledge of word processing, spreadsheet, Internet, and database applications. BS Degree in biology, chemistry, safety, engineering, or an equivalent field. The Job Identification Number for this position is: 99-0001180 Please send resume with salary requirements to me at the address below. Thanks, Jeff ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Jeff Mueller, PE, CHP Manager, Laboratory Safety AMGEN, INC. One Amgen Center Drive, 10-2-A Thousand Oaks, CA 91320-1799 USA 805/447-1992 (Voice) 805/498-8887 (Fax) 805/359-5493 (Pager) jmueller@amgen.com ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:28:57 -0700 Reply-To: techton@pop.ihug.co.nz Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Tony Haggerty Subject: Re: Fire Alarms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Fire Alarms" should be called "evacuation alarms" and used whenever there is a threat to life. eg Bomb Alerts. After all Fire Brigades are charged in most places with protecting life and property. Extinguishing fires is secondary. Tony ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:06:52 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Jeff Rubin Subject: Fire alarms Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" First of all, I think it's great that we have a fire chief on the list. NACHO continues to expand... My interpretation on using fire alarms for fires only is that it's primarily for the safety of the responders. With an ever-growing amount of all-purpose (fire, burglary, medical) alarm systems, and an ever-growing tendency of municipalities to fine repeated non-malicious false alarms, more and more firefighters and medics are sent to "alarm activations" that potentially allow them to meet criminals engaging in unpleasant activities. When I worked in Austin's 9-1-1 center we would always request PD on all-purpose or unspecified alarm activations. It follows, therefore, that if a public-safety agency wishes to have the alarm system used for non-fire building evac, and the property owner agrees, no worries, as long as the responders know the true nature of the alarm. Part of the equation is how FD is notified: direct link vs. call from campus/private security. When I was at UT Austin FD recommended using the fire alarm system to evacuate the building if necessary for a chemical spill, and you could make a strong point that a bomb threat or flammable gas leak provide equal or greater fire danger than an isolated wastebasket fire. Of course, this is not a legal interpretation, blah-blah-blah; I'd say check with your local response agencies and see what they think - I'll bet you can work something out. As far as an alarm igniting a flammable atmosphere, I wouldn't worry about it any more than I would a radio inadvertently setting off a bomb - no recorded case of either. Given all the other ignition sources in a typical building, alarm-induced ignition is the least of the potential problems. Nice to see so many people thinking about this. Onward, JNR Jeff Rubin jrubin@mail.utexas.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:33:04 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Henderson, Cheryl" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BF0F81.5E27DAB2" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF0F81.5E27DAB2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I am a new member of this list. I have been asked by my company to review the outdated CHP and make changes. About a year ago, we were bought by another company, making the assignment of the CHO not valid. This fell through the cracks, and a new one was never assigned. How is a CHO assigned? Can the CHO be a member of the Safety Department? Who is supposed to appoint the CHO? Are there specific rules? What is the best written source to help me translate the CFR? Cheryl ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF0F81.5E27DAB2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am a new member of this list.  I have been = asked by my company to review the outdated CHP and make changes.  = About a year ago, we were bought by another company, making the = assignment of the CHO not valid.  This fell through the cracks, = and a new one was never assigned.  How is a CHO assigned?  = Can the CHO be a member of the Safety Department?  Who is supposed = to appoint the CHO? Are there specific rules?  What is the best = written source to help me translate the CFR?

Cheryl

------_=_NextPart_001_01BF0F81.5E27DAB2-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:18:37 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Mary Ann Solstad Subject: Re: CHO In-Reply-To: <0EC9BE7CD916D3119C4B00805F9FD8202FDC0A@alc-ntms-01.us.airl iquide.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" At 05:33 PM 10/5/99 -0500, you wrote: >>>> I am a new member of this list. Welcome to the club. I have been asked by my company to review the outdated CHP and make changes. About a year ago, we were bought by another company, making the assignment of the CHO not valid. This fell through the cracks, and a new one was never assigned. <<<<<<<< How (or by whom) is a CHO assigned? <<<<<<<< No answers in the regs. The lab supv., a warm body or volunteer. >>>> <<<<<<<< >>>> Can the CHO be a member of the Safety Department? <<<<<<<< Why not. >>>> Who is supposed to appoint the CHO? Are there specific rules? <<<<<<<< See above. >>>> What is the best written source to help me translate the CFR? <<<<<<<< CFR on CHP is not too long or difficult, actually pretty clear, and I don't like reading the CFR. Mostly it refers you to "Prudent Practices...." for good practices. Two things to remember: Once you decide on what is appropriate SOP for your lab, and write it down, then you had better see that it is followed. And if your lab does only QC type work, as for a factory process, then you probably fall under HazCom rather than the Lab Standard and CHP. As for written material, "Chemical Health & Safety", a journal of the Division of Chemical Health & Safety (now published by Elsevier) of the American Chemical Society, has some past issues with articles offering guidance to CHOs. As a matter of fact, at almost every national meeting of ACS our Division offers one day workshops before the meeting for CHOs preparing for a certification exam. (OSHA HAS NO REQUIREMENT FOR CERTIFICATION, it's mainly for self-validation). There have been a few books on the subject: authors that come to mind are Jay Young and Doug Walters, but titles and publisher escape me. I'm sure list members can jump in with the titles and other authors. >>>> Mary Ann <<<<<<<< >>>> Cheryl <<<<<<<< Mary Ann Solstad, CIH 4 A's of Safety SOLSTAD Health & Safety Evaluations Attitude 16 Pequot Rd, Marblehead, MA 01945 Awareness 781-631-4748 tel, 781-631-1832 FAX Automatic Application Authority Past Chair, DivCHAS, ACS msolstad@mediaone.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:49:07 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Elizabeth Smith Subject: Re: CHO MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01BF0FE0.08C9B130" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BF0FE0.08C9B130 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am the 'environmental, health & safety manager' for a pharmaceutical = firm - I run the safety department (it's a dept. of 1 at the moment). = We don't have a CHO, per se. We do have someone who performs those = functions, though (me). So, our CHO (me) at the moment IS the Safety Deparment. I don't think it is important that your job title correspond with = something from the regs, as long as the CHO job description does. If = OSHA comes looking for a CHO, your upper managment (the first people the = auditors talk to) ought to know WHO this person is and what they do. =20 I'm about to start looking for an assistant, so the duties of the CHO = are going to be split between us - I'm still the head of the department, = and I'm responsible for making sure that all of the duties required by = law are covered - how I do it is pretty much up to me. Interpreting the CFR -=20 OSHA's regs aren't very confusing (compared to, say, the EPA). I have = found that the biggest problem is the format in which they are printed - = it is incredibly difficult to figure out where you are, what passage = you're reading, because you can't tell if you're at 1910.146(c)(2)(ii) = or (d)(3)(ii). The layout on-line through the Government Printing = Office (GPO) is pretty easy - = http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/cfr-table-search.html - and is = searchable by both key word and citation (you can look up 'confined = spaces' or search 29CFR1910.146. - you can search the entire CFR, not = just OSHA's part. Other suggestion for budding CHO/Safety Professionals I can only speak for Michigan (we have a state OSHA program) - but .... = =20 I've called Mich-OSHA on several occasions and said "This is the = situation I'm looking at, how do you interpret these regulations?" They = have been very helpful in pointing out things I missed or misunderstood = and other regulations that might apply (e.g., "here's how we see the = regs, but the construction section of our dept. also has regs - you need = to check to see who is doing the work to see if there are other things = to consider.) This requires a certain amount of skillful wording, = if you are going to withhold your name/employer (which I have done = occasionally on really sensitive topics and they seem to consider as = normal). This is no guarantee that the person you speak to isn't a = total moron or that the next auditor who pops out to your place isn't = gonig to disagree with her co-worker back at the office, but it is a = good chance to get a feel for how the regulators want to see the laws = enforced. Afterall, I would rather call them, spend the $ for the phone = call and time, and benefit from their expertise - my tax dollars pay = their department budget. Read the Prudent Practices book - it retails for about $60 (I think), = and is the single best overall safety book I've found to date. Then = re-read it. Keep it at your desk. See if your local business bureau has any publications. OSHA certainly = does. EPA also has a lot, if you need to consider chemical releases. Contact the Loss Prevention department of the insurance company who = carries your workman's comp insurance. Ours has been infinitely helpful = in providing information, training, and educational resources to our = safety department **at no charge**. Face it - the fewer accidents you = have, the more of your premium they get to keep - it's financially = beneficial to them to help you reduce your accident rate before they = happen. Contact the local fire department and make sure you're in compliance = with notifying them of chemicals stored/used on site. They'll want to = know so that they can make better plans for responding to your facility = in an emergency. Contact the local POTW (waste water treatment facility) and find out = what your local regulations are on industrial discharges - then make = sure you're obeying them. Make sure you have a discharge permit, if you = need one. Join a professional organization - not just an on-line list serve. = These are useful. But get out an mingle in person with your fellow = professionals as much as your company can afford. The Chemical Health & = Safety Journal from the American Chemical Society (www.acs.org) = mentioned is a wonderful publication. The ACS has a division of = chemical safety. If you deal with biohazards, I strongly recommend the = American Biological Safety Association, which also has a newsletter and = journal (www.absa.org). Above all else - ask for help when you need it. Elizabeth ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BF0FE0.08C9B130 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am the 'environmental, health & safety = manager' for a=20 pharmaceutical firm - I run the safety department (it's a dept. of 1 at = the=20 moment).  We don't have a CHO, per se.  We do have someone who = performs those functions, though (me).
 
So, our CHO (me) at the moment IS the Safety=20 Deparment.
 
I don't think it is important that your job title = correspond=20 with something from the regs, as long as the CHO job description = does.  If=20 OSHA comes looking for a CHO, your upper managment (the first people the = auditors talk to) ought to know WHO this person is and what they = do. =20
 
I'm about to start looking for an assistant, so the = duties of=20 the CHO are going to be split between us - I'm still the head of the = department,=20 and I'm responsible for making sure that all of the duties required by = law are=20 covered - how I do it is pretty much up to me.
 
Interpreting the CFR -
OSHA's regs aren't very confusing (compared to, say, = the=20 EPA).  I have found that the biggest problem is the format in which = they=20 are printed - it is incredibly difficult to figure out where you are, = what=20 passage you're reading, because you can't tell if you're at = 1910.146(c)(2)(ii)=20 or (d)(3)(ii).  The layout on-line through the Government Printing = Office=20 (GPO) is pretty easy - http://= www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/cfr-table-search.html=20 - and is searchable by both key word and citation (you can look up = 'confined=20 spaces' or search 29CFR1910.146. - you can search the entire CFR, not = just=20 OSHA's part.
 
 
Other suggestion for budding = CHO/Safety=20 Professionals
 
I can only speak for Michigan (we have a state OSHA = program) -=20 but ....  
I've called Mich-OSHA on several occasions and said = "This=20 is the situation I'm looking at, how do you interpret these=20 regulations?"  They have been very helpful in pointing out = things I=20 missed or misunderstood and other regulations that might apply (e.g.,=20 "here's how we see the regs, but the construction section of our = dept. also=20 has regs - you need to check to see who is doing the work to see if = there are=20 other things to consider.)      This requires a certain amount of skillful wording, if you are = going to=20 withhold your name/employer (which I have done occasionally on really = sensitive=20 topics and they seem to consider as normal).  This is no guarantee = that the=20 person you speak to isn't a total moron or that the next auditor who = pops out to=20 your place isn't gonig to disagree with her co-worker back at the = office, but it=20 is a good chance to get a feel for how the regulators want to see the = laws=20 enforced.  Afterall, I would rather call them, spend the $ for the = phone=20 call and time, and benefit from their expertise - my tax dollars pay = their=20 department budget.
 
Read the Prudent Practices book - it retails for = about $60 (I=20 think), and is the single best overall safety book I've found to = date. =20 Then re-read it.  Keep it at your desk.
 
See if your local business bureau = has any=20 publications.  OSHA certainly does.  EPA also has a lot, if = you need=20 to consider chemical releases.
 
Contact the Loss Prevention = department of the=20 insurance company who carries your workman's comp insurance.  Ours = has been=20 infinitely helpful in providing information, training, and educational = resources=20 to our safety department **at no charge**.  Face it - the fewer = accidents=20 you have, the more of your premium they get to keep - it's financially=20 beneficial to them to help you reduce your accident rate before they=20 happen.
 
Contact the local fire department and make sure = you're in=20 compliance with notifying them of chemicals stored/used on site.  = They'll=20 want to know so that they can make better plans for responding to your = facility=20 in an emergency.
 
Contact the local POTW (waste water treatment = facility) and=20 find out what your local regulations are on industrial discharges - then = make=20 sure you're obeying them.  Make sure you have a discharge permit, = if you=20 need one.
 
Join a professional organization - not just an = on-line list=20 serve.  These are useful.  But get out an mingle in person = with your=20 fellow professionals as much as your company can afford.  The = Chemical=20 Health & Safety Journal from the American Chemical Society (www.acs.org) mentioned is a wonderful=20 publication.  The ACS has a division of chemical safety.  If = you deal=20 with biohazards, I strongly recommend the American Biological Safety=20 Association, which also has a newsletter and journal (www.absa.org).
 
Above all else - ask for help when = you need=20 it.
 
Elizabeth
------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BF0FE0.08C9B130-- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:55:01 -0400 Reply-To: dhaodu@visi.net Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "D. Alexander" Organization: Old Dominion University Subject: Protocol for HF Use! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi listers, Does anyone have a protocol for using hydrofluoric in a laboraotry setting. I have already acquired a tube of calcium gluconate to give to the PI fro this lab, but I want to make sure that his protocol is as safe as possible. By the way, the PI plans to use it to digest coal samples. Any help is greatly appreciated. Doug Alexander EHSO Old Dominion University ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:09:38 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Jeff Rubin Subject: Alarms/evacuation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Two good points in the continuing discussion: fire wardens and PAs. Most modern alarm systems for high-occupancy buildings have PAs with recorded messages (e.g., "Evacuate the building," and other motivational phrases). These systems can be overridden by responders at the scene to direct people toward/away from a specific area, or provide other specific information. Most high-rise buildings are zoned so that an alarm activation in one area doesn't dump the whole building. I instituted a Fire Warden procedure in two high-rise lab buildings I was responsible for, and UT has them in some non-lab buildings as well. Both buildings have zoned systems, and the Wardens are tasked with evacuation and security (ensuring that their area is clear, checking restrooms, etc.) and doing a quick check on doors to see if they're locked). If there's someone requiring special assistance (mobility, visual, or hearing impairment), the Warden should know in advance but their job is to get the person to a safe area, generally an exit stairwell, where the person can be carried down by FD if necessary. The Wardens are not tasked with investigation, and although they assist PD by trying to keep people from entering a building in alarm, they do so only by gentle advice. BTW, the Wardens I set up have reflective vests but no caps - UTPD and Austin FD know what the vests mean and how the Wardens are tasked. For more info on these issues, check out http://www.utexas.edu/cons/safety/bulletins/fire.html JNR Jeff Rubin jrubin@mail.utexas.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:52:19 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Roneet Levy Organization: Miravant Medical Technologies Subject: Chemical Transport MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------F45F8CE90FBB5BFBAC0854FC" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F45F8CE90FBB5BFBAC0854FC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, I'm a new member to the list and I've already found it very informative. I'm hoping some of you will be able to share any experience with the following issue: The company I work for has two research facilities about two miles apart. Sometimes chemical deliveries are brought to the wrong building, or a researcher will change labs and needs to bring certain materials over to another building. In these instances so far our Facilities Dept. has been transporting the chemicals in an (unplacarded) comapany van, over city streets but not on the highway. The chemicals are usually solvents (MeCl2, acetonitrile, acetone, etc.) and are usually in single 4L bottles or a case or two of four 4L bottles. Does anyone know if this is legal? Are there certain packaging procedures we should follow for single bottles? Is it ever acceptable to transport previously opened bottles? How much do you need to transport before you must be registered and have placards? I would appreciate being directed to the appropriate sections of 49 CFR or relevant California codes. Thanks, Roneet --------------F45F8CE90FBB5BFBAC0854FC Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Roneet Levy Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Roneet Levy n: Levy;Roneet org: Miravant Medical Technologies email;internet: rlevy@miravant.com title: Health and Safety Coordinator note: (805) 685-9880 x3397 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------F45F8CE90FBB5BFBAC0854FC-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 23:21:05 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Debbie Decker Subject: Re: Protocol for HF Use! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I had replied to Doug directly but it occurs to me that the message might have wider application. Deb. >At 10:55 AM 10/6/99 -0400, you wrote: >>Hi listers, >>Does anyone have a protocol for using hydrofluoric in a laboraotry >>setting. I have already acquired a tube of calcium gluconate to give to >>the PI fro this lab, but I want to make sure that his protocol is as >>safe as possible. By the way, the PI plans to use it to digest coal >>samples. Any help is greatly appreciated. >> >>Doug Alexander >>EHSO >>Old Dominion University > >Dear Doug: >Check out our website at http://ehs.ucdavis.edu. Click on "SafetyNets" and search for #70 - it's specific for HF use. > >Nasty stuff - calcium gluconate cream is a great first step. Talking with your potential emergency medical responders is a good idea too. Also, a chat with your PI about the dangers may cause that person to consider using something less nasty. What percentage concentration will the PI be using? Hopefully, it will be the dilute solution. If the PI plans to dilute the HF himself, try to convince him to buy it already diluted. Less risk, fer shure! > >Any questions? Feel free to give me a buzz back - I worked with a geologist who used HF to digest rocks to view fossilized bacteria. Cool project . And not a single exposure in 3 years of work. > >Good luck, >Debbie > > > Debbie M. Decker, Health and Safety Specialist Environmental Health and Safety University of California, Davis 1 Shields Ave. Davis, CA 95616 (530)754-7964 (530)752-1493 dmdecker@ucdavis.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:22:47 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Jeffery S. Stewart" Organization: Morehead State University Subject: Re: Chemical Transport MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------968445E1FF6230109ACA2E8E" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------968445E1FF6230109ACA2E8E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roneet: The regulations you need are located at 49 CFR Part 171 (Gen info, regs and definitions), Part 172 (Placarding), and Part 173 (Shippers). The definition section in Part 171 will clarify bulk from non-bulk materials related to quantities needed placarding. I believe it is 1,000# or less you don't have to placard, 1,001# and up you do. But, don't quote me on that. The actual placard info is located in 172. Hope this helps you out. Jeff Roneet Levy wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm a new member to the list and I've already found it very > informative. I'm hoping some of you will be able to share any > experience with the following issue: > > The company I work for has two research facilities about two miles > apart. Sometimes chemical deliveries are brought to the wrong building, > or a researcher will change labs and needs to bring certain materials > over to another building. In these instances so far our Facilities > Dept. has been transporting the chemicals in an (unplacarded) comapany > van, over city streets but not on the highway. The chemicals are > usually solvents (MeCl2, acetonitrile, acetone, etc.) and are usually in > single 4L bottles or a case or two of four 4L bottles. > > Does anyone know if this is legal? Are there certain packaging > procedures we should follow for single bottles? Is it ever acceptable > to transport previously opened bottles? How much do you need to > transport before you must be registered and have placards? I would > appreciate being directed to the appropriate sections of 49 CFR or > relevant California codes. > > Thanks, > > Roneet --------------968445E1FF6230109ACA2E8E Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="j.stewart.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Jeffery S. Stewart Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="j.stewart.vcf" begin:vcard n:Stewart;Jeffery tel;fax:606-783-2359 tel;work:606-783-2179 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Morehead State University;Environmental Health & Safety version:2.1 email;internet:j.stewart@morehead-st.edu title:Env. Health & Safety Coordinator/RSO/Industrial Hygienist adr;quoted-printable:;;213 Downing Hall=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A;Morehead;Kentucky;40351; x-mozilla-cpt:;4064 fn:Jeffery S. Stewart end:vcard --------------968445E1FF6230109ACA2E8E-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:22:44 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Andrew Cooper Subject: Re: Chemical Transport MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You all have been so helpful lately I thought it was time for me to offer up some information. Be forewarned, this might not apply to your organization. Note Jeff's comments below for placarding, but don't forget that placarding is automatic if you are transporting an applicable concentration of a poison by inhalation hazard (e.g., hydrogen fluoride, etc.). See 49 CFR. Observe a little known, but very helpful exception (49 CFR 173.6)to transporting hazardous materials, if you meet the definition. The following information was an excerpt from a memo for a commercial business: On January 8, 1997, the Department of Transportation (DOT) published its final rulemaking on "Materials of Trade" (MOTS), which provides substantial relief from the HAZMAT regulations. The purpose of this rulemaking is to provide relief from the hazardous materials regulations for private companies not in the transportation business that are transporting small quantities of hazardous materials in direct support of their principal business. The rulemaking is targeted primarily for small business, such as farmers, welders, plumbers, lawn service companies. However, a company such as XXXX that transports HAZMAT as only a small component of its normal day-to-day business would be included. Table 1 presents individual packaging limits by hazardous material class for the materials of trade exception. For quantities of hazardous materials meeting these packaging limits, the materials of trade exception applies to a gross weight up to 440 pounds (200 kg). Hazardous materials above this limit (up to 1,000 lb) must be prepared in accordance with the hazardous material regulations. Packaging requirements are as follows: C Liquids and gases must be contained in leak-tight packages. Solids must be contained in sift-proof packages. All packages must be securely closed, secured against movement, and protected against damage. C Materials must be packaged in the manufacturer's original packaging or in packaging of equal or greater strength and integrity. C If materials contained in bottles or cans are secured against movement inside boxes, bins, or compartments, no outer packagings are required. C Cylinders must meet required cylinder specifications. Manifolding is allowed if valves are tightly closed. Marking requirements are as follows: C Packages must be marked with the common name or the proper shipping name. "RQ" must be marked if the package contains a hazardous substance in a Reportable Quantity. C DOT specification cylinders must be marked and labeled as required. Driver awareness The driver must be informed of the presence of the hazardous material onboard the vehicle, informed if he/she is transporting a hazardous substance in a reportable quantity, and aware of the requirements of the materials of trade requirements found in 49 CFR 173.6. Table 1. Individual Packaging Limits by Hazardous Material Class Class or Division Name Individual Package Limits for Shipping as Material of Trade Class 1 Explosives Cannot be shipped as a Material of Trade! Division 2.3 Toxic Gas Class 7 Radioactive Division 2.1 Division 2.2 Flammable Gas Non-Flammable/ Non-Toxic Gas 220 lb (100 kg) maximum gross weight of each cylinder Class 3 Flammable Liquid Packing Group I: < 1 pound (0.5 kg) or 1 pint (0.5 L) Packing Group II: < 66 pounds (30 kg) or 8 gallons (30L). Division 4.1 Flammable Solids Division 5.1 Oxidizers Division 6.1 Toxic Class 8 Corrosive Class 9 Miscellaneous ORM-D Consumer Commodity Division 4.3 Dangerous When Wet Packing Group I: Cannot be shipped as a Material of Trade! Packing Group II or III: Gross capacity of packaging < 30 ml (1 oz) Class 9 (applies to hazardous substances) Miscellaneous < 1500 L (400 gallons) for a diluted mixture, < 2% concentration of the Class 9 material Relief from the regulations include: C Materials must be packaged in the manufacturer's original packaging, or packaging of equivalent strength and integrity. C Packagings must be leak-tight for liquids or gases, sift-proof for solids, securely closed, secured against movement, and protected against damage. C Outer packagings are not required for a can or bottle that is secured against movement in a bin, cart, cage, box, or compartment. C No hazardous material paperwork or labeling is required. C The common name or the proper shipping name must be marked on each package. C Although training is not expressly required, the vehicle driver must be aware that materials of trade are being transported and aware of the applicable requirements. C The aggregate gross weight of all materials of trade onboard a single vehicle cannot exceed 440 pounds. C Materials of trade can be transported on a vehicle along with other hazardous materials. A few advantages of this rulemaking include: 1. Minimal HAZMAT requirements for personnel transporting HAZMAT between office locations. 2. Field personnel transporting HAZMAT--such as bottles of solvent, preservatives, reagents, along with several cylinders of compressed gas--will receive relief from the HAZMAT regulations so long as the total aggregate weight of the HAZMAT does not exceed 440 lb. . 3. Field personnel will receive relief from the HAZMAT regulations when transporting up to 440 pounds of hazardous materials onboard a vehicle. Any additional hazardous materials over this amount must be packaged, labeled, and documented as hazardous materials. 4. Minimal HAZMAT requirements for Health & Safety personnel transporting SCBA cylinders offsite to be refilled Andy -----Original Message----- From: Jeffery S. Stewart [mailto:j.stewart@MOREHEAD-ST.EDU] Sent: October 06, 1999 1:23 PM To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU Subject: Re: Chemical Transport Roneet: The regulations you need are located at 49 CFR Part 171 (Gen info, regs and definitions), Part 172 (Placarding), and Part 173 (Shippers). The definition section in Part 171 will clarify bulk from non-bulk materials related to quantities needed placarding. I believe it is 1,000# or less you don't have to placard, 1,001# and up you do. But, don't quote me on that. The actual placard info is located in 172. Hope this helps you out. Jeff Roneet Levy wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm a new member to the list and I've already found it very > informative. I'm hoping some of you will be able to share any > experience with the following issue: > > The company I work for has two research facilities about two miles > apart. Sometimes chemical deliveries are brought to the wrong building, > or a researcher will change labs and needs to bring certain materials > over to another building. In these instances so far our Facilities > Dept. has been transporting the chemicals in an (unplacarded) comapany > van, over city streets but not on the highway. The chemicals are > usually solvents (MeCl2, acetonitrile, acetone, etc.) and are usually in > single 4L bottles or a case or two of four 4L bottles. > > Does anyone know if this is legal? Are there certain packaging > procedures we should follow for single bottles? Is it ever acceptable > to transport previously opened bottles? How much do you need to > transport before you must be registered and have placards? I would > appreciate being directed to the appropriate sections of 49 CFR or > relevant California codes. > > Thanks, > > Roneet ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:49:30 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Mccullough, Melissa" Subject: Re: Chemical Transport MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain As far as I know- it is against DOT regulations. As silly as it may seem to us- their rules apply to ANY public way. Although, I just re-read the definitions in 49 CFR 170 and it only mentions highway. When a few hospitals in this area wanted to transport just IN this area, they had to have a DOT trained and properly placarded vehicle to tranport the hazardous materials. > -----Original Message----- > From: Roneet Levy [SMTP:rlevy@MIRAVANT.COM] > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 12:52 PM > To: LABSAFETY-L@siu.edu > Subject: Chemical Transport > > Hello all, > > I'm a new member to the list and I've already found it very > informative. I'm hoping some of you will be able to share any > experience with the following issue: > > The company I work for has two research facilities about two miles > apart. Sometimes chemical deliveries are brought to the wrong building, > or a researcher will change labs and needs to bring certain materials > over to another building. In these instances so far our Facilities > Dept. has been transporting the chemicals in an (unplacarded) comapany > van, over city streets but not on the highway. The chemicals are > usually solvents (MeCl2, acetonitrile, acetone, etc.) and are usually in > single 4L bottles or a case or two of four 4L bottles. > > Does anyone know if this is legal? Are there certain packaging > procedures we should follow for single bottles? Is it ever acceptable > to transport previously opened bottles? How much do you need to > transport before you must be registered and have placards? I would > appreciate being directed to the appropriate sections of 49 CFR or > relevant California codes. > > Thanks, > > Roneet << File: Card for Roneet Levy >> ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 08:58:43 +1300 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Tony Haggerty Subject: Re: Protocol for HF Use! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just to confirm Debbie's stance on HF, there was a fatality at a Geology lab in Australia about 3 years ago following a spill of HF onto a person. It was a small 2 man operation adjacent to one of the partners house in a remote area. They had a "protocol" that said they would not use HF without both of them being present but human nature being what it is one of them used and spilt HF on himself while the other was away. He ran from the lab and jumped into the family pool. The other partner's wife was at home and she immediately called an ambulance simply stating that someone had been burnt with Hydrofluoric Acid. At about the same time the Ambulance control received another call to a Vehicle accident. Not understanding the implications of HF burns and probably thinking that the acid is well washed off, they directed their one ambulance to deal with the accident and they arrived at the lab some 45 minutes later. The patient was in severe pain and died some two weeks later. In requesting Emergency Service help it is probable that the lady just said the words "Hydrofluoric Acid". they not being familiar with it would probably have heard it as "Hydrochloric Acid" and not been concerned. If you think this is a bit far fetched, I have a training video I use which involves a spill of HF which the actors talk about. It doesn't get into medical treatments as it is aimed at incident management. When I stop the clip, I ask what the acid was and the strike rate is about 98.5% for HCl. We then go into the use of UN Numbers for identification and the need to spell chemical names, phonetically if possible. My talks are often aimed at truck drivers and plant operators so their level of understanding is not great but I would suggest that spelling of names can save confusion in emergencies. As a footnote, I had a very minor burn from HF 38 years ago. It was a reaction by-product and I spilled a little on a finger. It was quite dilute and most washed off quite rapidly. Unfortunately some stuck under a nail and once it started to burn, it was sore for 3 days. I knew little about HF in those days and put up with the discomfort. Now every time I relate the story I'm sure I get a ghost pain!! Tony Haggerty NZFS Haz Subs Adviser ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:14:29 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Don Abramowitz Subject: Re: Protocol for HF Use! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Debbie's Safety net series is quite impressive on HF and other subjects. As long as we're on the HF thread, has anyone encountered a specification for a fume hood for use with HF? We are about to replace or upgrade a hood which has had its glass sash and light cover opaquely etched by HF vapor in a Geology lab (a tough place to find a substitute for HF). I've found bits and pieces on this, such as a recommendation for polycarbonate glazing instead of glass, but I'm hoping for specifics about interiors, hardware, duct, and blower materials. Please direct me if you know of something; no need to lay out the details here. Thanks, Don ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Donald Abramowitz, CIH Occupational and Environmental Safety Officer Bryn Mawr College | Swarthmore College 101 N. Merion Avenue | 500 College Avenue Bryn Mawr PA 19010 | Swarthmore PA 19081 (610) 526-5166 | (610) 328-8564 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:35:27 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Labsafe@AOL.COM Subject: Re: CHOs and CHPs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 99-10-05 18:45:22 EDT, you write: Q. How is a CHO assigned? A. The employer needs to hire someone using their normal hiring practices for either full or parttime employees. Or, additional duties for an existing employee. Q. Can the CHO be a member of the Safety Department? A. Yes. Q. Who is supposed to appoint the CHO? A. The employer.Are there specific rules? Q. What is the best written source to help me translate the CFR? A. Reading example of CHPs on the Web or my collection of over 50 of them. Jim Kaufman ***************************************************** James A. Kaufman, Director The Laboratory Safety Workshop Safety in Science Education 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 Cell: 508-574-6264 Email: labsafe@aol.com Web Site: http://www.labsafety.org/ ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:35:26 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Labsafe@AOL.COM Subject: Custodians in Labs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi NACHOs, Here are a few messages from the SAFETY list discussing custodians in labs. I thought this might be of interest to our members. .... Jim Kaufman Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:36:56 -0500 From: Michael Parsons Subject: Re: Custodians in Laboratories On 4 Oct 99, at 15:21, SAFETY approval account wrote: > Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 13:14:47 -0600 > From: Richard Porter > Organization: Colorado School of Mines > Subject: Custodians in Laboratories > > Our Plant Facilities Dept. has asked us to develop a policy to limit custodial > services (sweeping, mopping, emptying trash, dusting, waxing floors > etc.) in such a > way as to protect custodians from hazards that they may be unaware of > when working > in laboratories. This must be a very common issue. I would appreciate any > About 8 or nine years ago we had an incident involving a custodian mistaking boxed chemicals for trash and removing them from the lab and throwing them in a dumpster. After having to clean this dumpster out, we developed a policy of no custodians or maintenance workers in chemical, biological, or radioactive materials labs unless asked by lab personnel. Lab personnel are responsible for putting there trash just outside their door when they want it removed. If they wish the floors cleaned, they must insure that is safe for custodians to enter. This is usually done during the day but they may also request that it be done after hours as long they know it is safe for the custodian to enter. The same holds true for maintenance workers except this is almost always done during normal "business" hours. The doors to all radioactive materials labs are coded so that all maintenance, custodial, and police personnel know that that door opens into a lab containing radioactive materials. This is a very simple system that has worked well for rad materials labs. We also developed a simple sign to indicate that custodians and maintenance workers must have permission to enter a lab where their access is restricted. This is a sign with broom in a circle with a slash across it and a ladder in a circle with slash. This gets the point across simply and effectively. Hope this helps. Michael Michael S. Parsons, CHMM Mississippi State University, Hazardous Waste Officer Environmental Safety Office 302 Bowen Hall - Mail Stop 9563 P.O. Drawer 6223 Mississippi State, MS 39762 (662) 325-8543 Fax: (662) 325-8776 michael@ra.msstate.edu --------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:33:36 -0400 From: Jennifer Hayes Subject: Re: Custodians in Laboratories Mr. Porter- Our laboratories have a very similar policy as the one described below. Our custodial/maintenance staff is allowed to enter most labs. (any labs. that off-limits are clearly marked.) The staff is only allowed to discard whatever is in the waste cans, but they do not touch or remove anything else. Any packages, boxes, bags, etc. that do not fit in a waste can gets placed outside of the lab, by the door, at the end of the work day. All maintenance work, including cleaning the floors, is by request only, and it is the lab.'s responsibility to be sure there is nothing hazardous left out or on the floor. (Often we do our own sweeping, but washing and waxing happens occasionally.) Of course, this still leaves a lot of responsibility with the workers in the lab. They need to be fully informed and aware that nothing unsafe, whether it be chemically or physically hazardous, should go in the waste cans cans ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:25:32 PDT From: Andrea Jones Subject: Re: Custodians in Laboratories ...Or a discrepancy sends someone to retrieve an item from a landfill. Our custodial employees are contracted. Their hazcom training is provided by their employer. They are trained in contractor safety for our facility, which includes hazard types, locations, recognition of signs, etc. In our office suites, they will only take trash from a recognized receptacle. They are trained to not pick up loose "trash-appearing" items unless they are CLEARLY marked trash. As for labs, the same applies. They will come to do floors etc., but only after I submit a work order. This work order notifies their supervisor that they are entering a more hazardous area. It also allows myself and my colleagues to regroup, and reorganize since they will not move items in the lab. They will sweep and mop only the uncovered floor. Interestingly, this lab is used by IHs and by radiation physicists. I don't know...um...squat about rad regs, so I checked with a rep for our RSO, who felt that no provisions were violated by allowing these folks in unescorted. Disclaimers as usual, since I haven't mentioned that lately, Andrea Jones Glaxo Wellcome Inc. >From: "Wolff, David" >Reply-To: Safety >To: SAFETY@LIST.UVM.EDU >Subject: Re: Custodians in Laboratories >Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:15:57 -0500 > >Richard: > >My advice is to tell the custodians not to toss radionuclides into the >trash. Especially if the trash is taken to a refuse-derived-fuel >generating >plant. And especially if the state regulators decide that a small amount >of >"lost" material warrants shutting down the RDF facility for several days in >a futile attempt to locate the tiny container in mountains of trash - >costing the taxpayers a bundle. > >David Wolff ---------------------------------------- ***************************************************** James A. Kaufman, Director The Laboratory Safety Workshop Safety in Science Education 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 Cell: 508-574-6264 Email: labsafe@aol.com Web Site: http://www.labsafety.org/ ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:04:00 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "J. Scott Walker" Subject: Re: Chemical Transport In-Reply-To: <37FB7E43.D3995CD3@miravant.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You'll want to start by reviewing 49 CFR 171 and following. The US DOT web site, Research and Special Project Administration, has a lot of reference to help your inquiry. Regards, Scott At 09:52 AM 10/6/99 -0700, you wrote: >Hello all, > >I'm a new member to the list and I've already found it very >informative. I'm hoping some of you will be able to share any >experience with the following issue: > >The company I work for has two research facilities about two miles >apart. Sometimes chemical deliveries are brought to the wrong building, >or a researcher will change labs and needs to bring certain materials >over to another building. In these instances so far our Facilities >Dept. has been transporting the chemicals in an (unplacarded) comapany >van, over city streets but not on the highway. The chemicals are >usually solvents (MeCl2, acetonitrile, acetone, etc.) and are usually in >single 4L bottles or a case or two of four 4L bottles. > >Does anyone know if this is legal? Are there certain packaging >procedures we should follow for single bottles? Is it ever acceptable >to transport previously opened bottles? How much do you need to >transport before you must be registered and have placards? I would >appreciate being directed to the appropriate sections of 49 CFR or >relevant California codes. > >Thanks, > >Roneet > >Attachment Converted: "C:\PROGRAM FILES\EUDORA\Attach\vcard.vcf" > J. Scott Walker Environmental Engineer LexaLite International Corporation Dickson, TN 37055 jscottw@licdxn.com 615.441.6274 Phone 615.446.3007 Fax ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:22:19 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Rama Singh Subject: CONTAMINATION OF HOUSE VACUUM LINES Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Has anyone done anything special to keep their house vacuum pump clean and operating without chemical contamination? This is in a building which serves lots of chemists involved with all kinds of volatiles and organic compounds. Naturally cold traps should be in place before accessing house vacuum lines but this is not enough, it appears. I am wondering if anyone has done anything different like setting up central cold trap next to the pump or manipulation of vacuum pressure or anything else to keep pumps as well as the chemists happy. Is there anyone out there who has done anything special or different to solve this problem? Thanks for sharing your experience. Rama Singh ---- Rama Singh Safety Coordinator The School of Physical Sciences Phone: 949-824-2518 Fax: 949-824-3891 Pager: 949-262-6710 e-mail:rpsingh@uci.edu ZOT CODE 4675 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:40:19 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Labsafe@AOL.COM Subject: Re: CHO MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 99-10-06 09:57:19 EDT, you write: << Read the Prudent Practices book - it retails for about $60 (I think), and is the single best overall safety book I've found to date. Then re-read it. Keep it at your desk. >> Good Advice. The list price is $69.95. The LSW web site special offer this month at $56. WOW. Another book that I would highly recommend is the catalog from Lab Safety Supply in Janesville, WI (www.labsafety.com). It's hundreds of pages of safety products and some discussion of their application. Reading it cover to cover will fill you with ideas about tools you can use to solve problems. And, it's free! (Note... This is not LSW) .... Jim ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 21:03:45 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Neal Langerman Subject: CALL FOR SEMICONDUCTOR SAFETY PAPERS Comments: To: occ-env-med-l@list.mc.duke.edu Comments: cc: frazzle@almaden.ibm.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" this is posted for a colleague:

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========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 00:43:46 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Terry Ludwig Subject: Re: Protocol for HF Use! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/06/1999 11:12:35 AM US Mountain Standard Time, dmdecker@UCDAVIS.EDU writes: << Talking with your potential emergency medical responders is a good idea too. >> Funny you should mention that. I produced, analyzed, and packaged (drums, mostly) 49% HF for close to 20 years. You can amass lots of anecdotes and horror stories in that amount of time. One that is apropos to your advice is : I had occasion to check myself into the nearby hospital for potential HF burns on my hands and arms. They looked "Hydrofluoric" up in their books and couldn't find anything. So they decided to treat me for the closest thing. In this case, they decided "closest" was *Hydrochloric" acid burns. Heck, the two words almost rhyme. "No," said I (I'm a chemist by trade), "they're vastly different in nature. The treatments will therefore be quite different'" This was met by a look of "I'm the doctor, not you, sonny" and they proceeded to have me soak my hands and arms in a saline solution for 30 minutes, after which they applied some salve and some gauze and sent me home for the night. In this particular case, I knew I really had not been exposed to HF acid (insert a separate long anecdote about city workers mistakenly turning off a water main here), so no harm came to me. And the hospital's ignorance of HF burns has long since been addressed and eliminated. But if I really had been burned by HF...... Terry Ludwig Tessenderlo Kerley, Inc. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 21:11:13 +1300 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Tony Haggerty Subject: Re: Protocol for HF Use! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Terry If it had been HF, believe me , you would have known it. But your point is taken. In my experience very few GP doctors have any knowledge of Industrial Hygiene much less the chemistry associated. I have had calls from hospital doctors who wanted to know what they should be treating for after sending people to hospital following chemical exposure. And I am but a humble chemist!! Cheers Tony ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 08:50:59 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Tayman, Tammy" Subject: Re: CONTAMINATION OF HOUSE VACUUM LINES MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" We have a central cold trap in line just before the pump. However, it is housed in another room, so that when we empty it, fumes still can't get near the pump. The trap is by FTS Systems and goes down to -92C. Tammy Tayman -----Original Message----- From: Rama Singh [mailto:rpsingh@UCI.EDU] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 9:22 PM To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU Subject: CONTAMINATION OF HOUSE VACUUM LINES Has anyone done anything special to keep their house vacuum pump clean and operating without chemical contamination? This is in a building which serves lots of chemists involved with all kinds of volatiles and organic compounds. Naturally cold traps should be in place before accessing house vacuum lines but this is not enough, it appears. I am wondering if anyone has done anything different like setting up central cold trap next to the pump or manipulation of vacuum pressure or anything else to keep pumps as well as the chemists happy. Is there anyone out there who has done anything special or different to solve this problem? Thanks for sharing your experience. Rama Singh ---- Rama Singh Safety Coordinator The School of Physical Sciences Phone: 949-824-2518 Fax: 949-824-3891 Pager: 949-262-6710 e-mail:rpsingh@uci.edu ZOT CODE 4675 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:01:41 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Tayman, Tammy" Subject: Re: Protocol for HF Use! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've been told that it is always a good idea to send the MSDS along to the hospital with an exposure victim. I happen to be another who can attest to how true that is. A few years ago I had bromine spilled over one of my hands. (Stupid, I know. Wrong gloves, too busy, in a hurry...) I called ahead to the doctor and headed on over. When I got there they rushed me back and the doctor rushed in. She asked what happened and I proceded to explain about the bromine exposure, flushing with water, flushing with sodium thiosulfate solution, and arriving at my present location. She pursed her lips, nodded, said "I see" and then started scribbling. She then paused. looked up and asked me "Bromine, that would be b-r-o-m-e-n...???" At that point I knew I was in trouble. Tammy Tayman -----Original Message----- From: Tony Haggerty [mailto:techton@IHUG.CO.NZ] Terry If it had been HF, believe me , you would have known it. But your point is taken. In my experience very few GP doctors have any knowledge of Industrial Hygiene much less the chemistry associated. I have had calls from hospital doctors who wanted to know what they should be treating for after sending people to hospital following chemical exposure. And I am but a humble chemist!! Cheers Tony ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:06:46 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Robert Burns Subject: Re: Protocol for HF Use! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" another horror story: Many yea